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Identification-History

For discussions of lace history and lace identification.  You can post a photo into a comment box for a lace you want to discuss.  Bobblin lace history.  About historic lace. Kinds of lace.  Distinguish types of lace.

We can identify a piece of lace for you, but we need good detail.  At least one photo with this kind of detail is necessary.  Otherwise we are just guessing.  A shot of the whole thing is useful because that shows us the style.  Style gives us clues to date and possibly geographical origin.  But we need the detail shot to tell us how it was made.

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Bobbin lace    antiquebobbinlace     bobbinlace3     Needle lace    needlelace2 

http://www.laceforstudy.org.uk/ 

Descriptions of several styles of lace - https://www.jeanleader.net/lacestyles/index.html

To compare needle lace, tatting and crochet, Kathleen Minniti's sampler.

My antique lace boards on Pinterest   

http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/bobbin-lace-antique/ 

http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/needle-lace-antique/ 

My collection of boards on Pinterest http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/

Tatting     tatting2   tatting3      

Embroidery on tulle-needlerun      Embroidery on tulle-tambour        Carrickmacross  

Filet lace    filetlace2    filetlace3   filet lace4    Buratto 

Sol lace   sollace2   sol lace3

Knitted lace    knittedlace2     Crochet lace        Irish crochet lace      IrishCrochet2      

Chemical lace   ChemicalLace2  chemical lace3     chemical lace4     

See this for a technical explanation of the chemical lace process.

Barmen machine lace        Raschel machine lace     Leavers machine

machine1 (not sure what machine)   

I don't know how this machine relates to the Barmen or Rascheel (or other machine)

Bobbin tape lace  bobbin tape lace 2   

Mixed tape lace-machinetape      Romanian needlepoint lace  

For recognizing Swedish bobbin lace:  http://elsapetersonsspetsaffar.com/

RESOURCES TO START LEARNING HOW TO IDENTIFY LACE

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/online-resources 

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/6475898:Page:1417 

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/specific-pages-in-lynxlace 

IOLI.ORG'S RESOURCES

THE KOON COLLECTION

The Koon collection CD is a collection of images from the Eunice Sein Koon
Collection of Lace donated to IOLI by Ms. Koon. Ms. Koon was the editor of
Lace Craft Quarterly and a collector of lace.  It is not related to the
Minnesota collection to the best of my knowledge.  The CD is a series of
Powerpoint slides organized as the collection pieces are numbered.  There
are approximately 100 pieces of various types of lace in the Koon
collection.  Pictures from the CD could be copied and pasted into another
Powerpoint presentation, or the images could be used to request pieces of
lace from the collection for study by IOLI members.  Policy for use of this
lace is described on p. 58 of the IOLI Member Handbook. -- Jo Ann Eurell

LACE STUDY BOX

The IOLI - Internation Organization of Lace, Inc. has a study box of lace fragments that members can borrow.  

(I am searching for a link)

IOLI also has a lending library for members' use

http://www.internationalorganizationoflace.org/library1.html

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/international-organization-of-lace-inc/page/ioli-advanced-study-of-lace

A site with good photos of high quality antique laces: http://www.mendes.co.uk/antique.bobbin.lace.p.two.html ;

Discussion Forum

Lace Identificatio 1 Reply

Hi everyone, i have a lovely 1920s dress made from the prettiest lace, i assume its machine made, but can someone tell me what tis style of lace is called? Thanks in advance !Continue

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Indexes for 'A Lace Guide for Makers and Collectors' by Gertrude Whiting 9 Replies

Someone of IOLI told me about 'A Lace Guide for Makers and Collectors' by Gertrude Whiting (1920). I can't find who, but thank you! This book has a LARGE number of grounds, with names, photo and…Continue

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Help with Needlepoint Lace ID 16 Replies

HI All,I have recently acquired this wonderful lace collar which I believe is a needle or needlepoint lace. Even though I have purchased 3 books on lace ID(which I love by the way)  I often become…Continue

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Lace Maps 3 Replies

I thought it might be useful to post a map of part of the lace making world. This google map shows part of modern Belgium. The red balloon i the town of Mechelen/Mechlin/Malines. It is haflway…Continue

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Comment by Paula Harten yesterday

We might want to look at an example of mezzo punto in Heather Toomer's "Antique Lace", page 39, Plate 22 and mentioned under History on pg. 100.  

I have to admit I find Barbara's piece of lace to be very regular and not quite the style of mezzo punto which appears to have had fillings of buttonhole stitches as well.

So I started learning again.  I searched the names Ikle and Isadore Grauer and came upon the Textile Museum in St. Gallen, Switzerland.  They are working on a major inventory project.  Collections from L. Ikle and I. Grauer  are included and "...served as a template for the machine embroidery marketed as “St.Gallen lace” which , "...partially consisted of faithful copies of historic lace produced on shuttle embroidery machines."

Further information about the hand embroidery machines in St. Gallen speak of the women replacing threads for the men who ran the machines and "...the threads in a hand-embroidery machine are only about one meter long, and it has hundreds of needles".  Now I wonder if these are the same machines or two different ones.  

I guess it is quite possible that Devon has found its source.  Maybe imitation Mezzo Punto.

Comment by Devon Thein on Monday
The hand embroidery machine duplicated hand embroidery in that it had only one needle and thread, rather than the two thread, needle and shuttle set up like our sewing machines. I assume you had to embroider on fabric and dissolve in order to make lace as in the Schiffli machines. There is a description of the machine on p. 14 of this book. Ikle is more often associated with the Schiffli machines. I don't know if he had the hand embroidery machines even though he mentions them in his book. https://www2.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/books/archive_008.pdf
Comment by Sally Olsen on Monday

Devon -

Is the Ikle lace made on a background which is later dissolved away with a chemical?

- Sally

Comment by Devon Thein on Monday

I believe it is the hand embroidery machine. Here is an image from Ikle, La Broderie Mechanique showing the machine embroidery work of Isadore Grauer of Degersheim, and a close up of the photo. Grauer made very good machine imitations of Venetian Gros Point, especially.

Comment by Administrator on Monday

Paula, I have no idea.  there was a Venetian lace called Coraline, but I have never seen any close up. So I can't say if this is Coraline. Does anybody know anything about that kind?

Comment by Paula Harten on Monday

I agree with Loretta and Lorelei.  I had not thought about the needle weaving in reticella, as I have really no experience with it.  So, yes I would call it needle lace.  Now the question is, how old is it?

Paula

Comment by Administrator on Sunday

I agree with Loretta. I do think it is handmade needlelace, but very unusual. The long branches appear to be a base of 5 vertical threads, woven under and over, row after row. A similar idea occurs in needle lace reticella, where the lace maker tries to suggest vertical and horizontal lines of woven cloth underneath (when there is no woven cloth at all.) So instead of the usual 4 base threads, this uses 5. I did see some elements that look like very short cucumber tallies, but it is possible to do that with a needle, instead of bobbins.

Red is 5 thread base, woven.    Green is bit which look like tallies.  Blue is a bar wrapped instead of buttonholed.

Lorelei

Comment by Karen Thompson on Sunday

Lovely blouse with machine made lace.

Comment by Paula Harten on Sunday

I think this beautiful work is woven.  Notice there are places where it is coming apart.  There are vertical threads and then single threads woven back and forth, not two at a time like bobbin lace.  Definitely not buttonhole stitches.  It is a type of woven braid with twisted and knotted connecting threads.

Comment by Loretta Holzberger on Sunday

Definitely looks like hand made needle lace.  What a lovely dress!

 
 
 

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