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two old laces - handmade perhaps?
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Hello,Here are photos of an old silk black lace that I haven't come across before. I thought initially it was machine but looking at the close up I wonder if it might be handmade..?? Any thoughts…Continue

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Hello, Here's a little piece that am wondering if it is possibly handmade Alencon? And any ideas about the edging lace? Type? Machine or handmade? The triangle measures 10" across and 4.75" at the…Continue

Started this discussion. Last reply by deborah greenfield Oct 1, 2014.

 

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Lorelei Halley Administrator replied to deborah greenfield's discussion 17th, 18th C lace and others for ID and comments in the group Identification-History
"You might find some additional information on the lace for study site. I has photos of various antique laces. If you can find 2 or 3 examples of the types you are interested in, you might get some useful comparison photos. Use the search slot on the…"
Dec 7
Lorelei Halley Administrator replied to deborah greenfield's discussion 17th, 18th C lace and others for ID and comments in the group Identification-History
"I strongly suspect your "strawberry lace" is actually Irish crochet. I would need a better closeup to be sure. Your "metal net lace" is just weird. The white stuff  looks like hand embroidery on machine net. The brown…"
Dec 7
Lorelei Halley Administrator replied to deborah greenfield's discussion 17th, 18th C lace and others for ID and comments in the group Identification-History
"Re: 18th C lace2 I looked at Earnshaw's NEEDLELACE, in which she gives a brief history of various needle lace styles, with technical diagrams about the stitches used. According to this, Alencon became popular in the last quarter of the 18th…"
Dec 7
deborah greenfield replied to deborah greenfield's discussion 17th, 18th C lace and others for ID and comments in the group Identification-History
"Here are the "strawberry" and metal thread / net ones...."
Dec 7
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17th, 18th C lace and others for ID and comments

Hello, I acquired some lovely lace pieces today which I believe are:17th C Point de Venise, 8 cms deep. And 3 examples of 18th C Argentan / Alencon? These are all about 5 cms deep. Then an interesting delicate tape lace. Is this a Point Plat? It is 8 cms deep. Any ideas of date? Then a collar of very intricate needlelace with strawberries - 4 cms deep. And finally a piece with interesting fillings on a net layer, with metal thread lace on top. This one is 20 cms deep. Any ideas welcome. Thanks…See More
Dec 7
deborah greenfield commented on Lorelei Halley Administrator's group Identification-History
"Thanks as always for your comments. The tape lace one has some places where two layers of lace cross over but others, like the cross and sort of leaf shaped pieces have no joins at all."
Oct 17
deborah greenfield commented on Lorelei Halley Administrator's group Identification-History
"Here is the other needle lace piece mentioned below..."
Oct 16
deborah greenfield commented on Lorelei Halley Administrator's group Identification-History
"Hello, Posting here a couple of antique needle lace pieces from France, one I believe a handmade tape lace with a point de venise border, 8" deep, and the other a rough but sweet piece which has - I think - elements of point de neige, but…"
Oct 16
Lorelei Halley Administrator replied to deborah greenfield's discussion Once Again on Chantilly Hand vs Machine made in the group Identification-History
"A thick gimp sewn in with a needle would be necessary with machine made Chantilly, but not in hand made. But, as I said before, I would not use hand sewn gimp as a defining factor. Look at the parts that should be half stitch. Keep looking at photos…"
Jun 2
deborah greenfield replied to deborah greenfield's discussion Once Again on Chantilly Hand vs Machine made in the group Identification-History
"Yes Nancy that would make sense as it looks very different to completely machine made, fine silk Chantilly so maybe the hand sewn gimp would explain that. What do you think Lorelei?"
Jun 2
Lorelei Halley Administrator replied to deborah greenfield's discussion Once Again on Chantilly Hand vs Machine made in the group Identification-History
"Nancy - I think the essential thing about determining which piece of lace is machine or hand made Chantilly is how the half stitch sections in the motifs look. Machines just can't duplicate half stitch. I don't mean "suggest", or…"
Jun 1
Lorelei Halley Administrator replied to deborah greenfield's discussion Once Again on Chantilly Hand vs Machine made in the group Identification-History
"Both of your examples are machine made. The half stitch sections don't look right. The red rings in the one below surround what should be half stitch. Below are 2 examples of hand made Chantilly"
Jun 1
Nancy A. Neff replied to deborah greenfield's discussion Once Again on Chantilly Hand vs Machine made in the group Identification-History
"I don't know what all was covered in the previous discussion but I've been told that some Chantilly was made by machine making the net and fillings, and the gimp sewn in by hand (Leavers?). Could this explain your pieces?"
Jun 1
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Once Again on Chantilly Hand vs Machine made

Hello, Ages ago we had a discussion on distinguishing handmade vs machinemade Chantilly lace. I found it very helpful but now have a couple of pieces that I'm again not sure about. These 2 lace samples have, I thought, a handmade look, but are quite different in terms of fillings. Any thoughts?See More
Jun 1
deborah greenfield commented on Lorelei Halley Administrator's group Identification-History
"Yes, I see the difference now."
May 17
deborah greenfield commented on Lorelei Halley Administrator's group Identification-History
"Dear Lorelei, As always, thank you so much. On your personal page it seems to me your no 165 bn is the most like this one. I'll attach here 2 pix showing the lace closer up. How do you tell needle lace as aopposed to bobbin made grounds? My…"
May 16

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I've always loved old textiles, ever since running around flea markets in London as a kid. Currently living in France, I've been able to pick up quite a nice little collection of laces and textiles and am trying now to learn more about them.

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At 5:28pm on April 14, 2018, Nancy A. Neff said…

Hi Deborah,  Yes, sorry, I left a long comment and then immediately deleted it because I was wrong about one of the fillings and wanted to think more about it. I will go and leave a revised version since I'm not so sure it's necessarily Milanese. Sorry to be a tease--I didn't realize the notification would go out immediately.  --Nancy

At 3:16pm on February 2, 2014, Lorelei Halley Administrator said…

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