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two old laces - handmade perhaps?
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Hello,Here are photos of an old silk black lace that I haven't come across before. I thought initially it was machine but looking at the close up I wonder if it might be handmade..?? Any thoughts…Continue

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Hello, Here's a little piece that am wondering if it is possibly handmade Alencon? And any ideas about the edging lace? Type? Machine or handmade? The triangle measures 10" across and 4.75" at the…Continue

Started this discussion. Last reply by deborah greenfield Oct 1, 2014.

 

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Lorelei Halley Administrator replied to deborah greenfield's discussion Once Again on Chantilly Hand vs Machine made in the group Identification-History
"A thick gimp sewn in with a needle would be necessary with machine made Chantilly, but not in hand made. But, as I said before, I would not use hand sewn gimp as a defining factor. Look at the parts that should be half stitch. Keep looking at photos…"
Jun 2
deborah greenfield replied to deborah greenfield's discussion Once Again on Chantilly Hand vs Machine made in the group Identification-History
"Yes Nancy that would make sense as it looks very different to completely machine made, fine silk Chantilly so maybe the hand sewn gimp would explain that. What do you think Lorelei?"
Jun 2
Lorelei Halley Administrator replied to deborah greenfield's discussion Once Again on Chantilly Hand vs Machine made in the group Identification-History
"Nancy - I think the essential thing about determining which piece of lace is machine or hand made Chantilly is how the half stitch sections in the motifs look. Machines just can't duplicate half stitch. I don't mean "suggest", or…"
Jun 1
Lorelei Halley Administrator replied to deborah greenfield's discussion Once Again on Chantilly Hand vs Machine made in the group Identification-History
"Both of your examples are machine made. The half stitch sections don't look right. The red rings in the one below surround what should be half stitch. Below are 2 examples of hand made Chantilly"
Jun 1
Nancy A. Neff replied to deborah greenfield's discussion Once Again on Chantilly Hand vs Machine made in the group Identification-History
"I don't know what all was covered in the previous discussion but I've been told that some Chantilly was made by machine making the net and fillings, and the gimp sewn in by hand (Leavers?). Could this explain your pieces?"
Jun 1
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Once Again on Chantilly Hand vs Machine made

Hello, Ages ago we had a discussion on distinguishing handmade vs machinemade Chantilly lace. I found it very helpful but now have a couple of pieces that I'm again not sure about. These 2 lace samples have, I thought, a handmade look, but are quite different in terms of fillings. Any thoughts?See More
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deborah greenfield commented on Lorelei Halley Administrator's group Identification-History
"Yes, I see the difference now."
May 17
deborah greenfield commented on Lorelei Halley Administrator's group Identification-History
"Dear Lorelei, As always, thank you so much. On your personal page it seems to me your no 165 bn is the most like this one. I'll attach here 2 pix showing the lace closer up. How do you tell needle lace as aopposed to bobbin made grounds? My…"
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deborah greenfield commented on Lorelei Halley Administrator's group Identification-History
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deborah greenfield commented on Lorelei Halley Administrator's group Identification-History
"Hello experts, Once again, I offer up an interesting (I think) piece for your scrutiny. Found in the UK, it's 6.5" wide. Is it some sort of Mechlin? 18th C, 19th C? I've looked at masses of photos on Lorelei and other's pinterest…"
May 15
deborah greenfield commented on Lorelei Halley Administrator's group Identification-History
"Thank you both. That's all fascinating. Yes, looking under a magnifying glass and holding the piece up to the light there are some thickened areas but not always. In most cases it looks like the braid is threaded once through the edge of the…"
Apr 15
Nancy A. Neff left a comment for deborah greenfield
"Hi Deborah,  Yes, sorry, I left a long comment and then immediately deleted it because I was wrong about one of the fillings and wanted to think more about it. I will go and leave a revised version since I'm not so sure it's…"
Apr 14
deborah greenfield commented on Lorelei Halley Administrator's group Identification-History
"Thank you Carolina. That's very helpful. As is your interesting page. The slide show is great!"
Apr 14
deborah greenfield commented on Lorelei Halley Administrator's group Identification-History
"Hello experts, Here is what I believe is an 18th C tape lace lappet...?? Any info or thoughts much appreciated. Thanks in advance. Deborah"
Apr 14
Lorelei Halley Administrator replied to deborah greenfield's discussion two old laces - handmade perhaps?
"Nancy, I think your example is better than most "'slugs n snails". Here are some of mine. But you are right, Deborah's piece  is unusually poor in design, even for "slugs n snails". I can't really call it tape…"
Jan 10
deborah greenfield replied to deborah greenfield's discussion two old laces - handmade perhaps?
"Thanks so much Lorelei - very helpful as always!"
Jan 9

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I've always loved old textiles, ever since running around flea markets in London as a kid. Currently living in France, I've been able to pick up quite a nice little collection of laces and textiles and am trying now to learn more about them.

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At 5:28pm on April 14, 2018, Nancy A. Neff said…

Hi Deborah,  Yes, sorry, I left a long comment and then immediately deleted it because I was wrong about one of the fillings and wanted to think more about it. I will go and leave a revised version since I'm not so sure it's necessarily Milanese. Sorry to be a tease--I didn't realize the notification would go out immediately.  --Nancy

At 3:16pm on February 2, 2014, Lorelei Halley Administrator said…

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