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Identification-History

For discussions of lace history and lace identification.  You can post a photo into a comment box for a lace you want to discuss.  Bobblin lace history.  About historic lace. Kinds of lace.  Distinguish types of lace.

We can identify a piece of lace for you, but we need good detail.  At least one photo with this kind of detail is necessary.  Otherwise we are just guessing.  A shot of the whole thing is useful because that shows us the style.  Style gives us clues to date and possibly geographical origin.  But we need the detail shot to tell us how it was made.

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Examples + Resources

PHOTOS   

http://www.laceforstudy.org.uk/ 

Descriptions of several styles of lace - https://www.jeanleader.net/lacestyles/index.html

To compare needle lace, tatting and crochet, Kathleen Minniti's sampler.

My antique lace boards on Pinterest   

http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/bobbin-lace-antique/ 

http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/needle-lace-antique/ 

My collection of boards on Pinterest http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/ 

Jo Edkins lace collection online:  http://gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/lace/collection/index.htm

A university based website specializing in the social history attached to lacemaking

https://laceincontext.com/

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 Bobbin lace    antiquebobbinlace     bobbinlace3     Needle lace    needlelace2 

For recognizing Swedish bobbin lace:  http://elsapetersonsspetsaffar.com/

Tatting     tatting2   tatting3      

Filet lace    filetlace2    filetlace3   filet lace4    Buratto 

Sol lace   sollace2   sol lace3

Knitted lace    knittedlace2     Crochet lace        Irish crochet lace      IrishCrochet2      

TAPE LACE WITH PARTS NOT ALL BOBBIN MADE

Bobbin tape lace  bobbin tape lace 2   

Mixed tape lace-machinetape      Romanian needlepoint lace  

LACES WITH OTHER MACHINE MADE PARTS - net

Embroidery on tulle-needlerun      Embroidery on tulle-tambour        Carrickmacross  

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MACHINE LACES

This is what it takes to make a cloth stitch strip with a machine. I don't know which machine this is. https://www.facebook.com/brooklynlaceguild/videos/1496541547035682/ ;

Chemical lace   ChemicalLace2  chemical lace3     chemical lace4     

See this for a technical explanation of the chemical lace process.

Barmen machine lace        Raschel machine lace     Leavers machine

machine1 (not sure what machine)   

RESOURCES TO START LEARNING HOW TO IDENTIFY LACE

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/online-resources 

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/6475898:Page:1417 

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/specific-pages-in-lynxlace 

IOLI.ORG'S RESOURCES

THE KOON COLLECTION

The Koon collection CD is a collection of images from the Eunice Sein Koon
Collection of Lace donated to IOLI by Ms. Koon. Ms. Koon was the editor of
Lace Craft Quarterly and a collector of lace.  It is not related to the
Minnesota collection to the best of my knowledge.  The CD is a series of
Powerpoint slides organized as the collection pieces are numbered.  There
are approximately 100 pieces of various types of lace in the Koon
collection.  Pictures from the CD could be copied and pasted into another
Powerpoint presentation, or the images could be used to request pieces of
lace from the collection for study by IOLI members.  Policy for use of this
lace is described on p. 58 of the IOLI Member Handbook. -- Jo Ann Eurell

LACE STUDY BOX

The IOLI - Internation Organization of Lace, Inc. has a study box of lace fragments that members can borrow.  

(I am searching for a link)

IOLI also has a lending library for members' use

http://www.internationalorganizationoflace.org/library1.html

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/international-organization-of-lace-inc/page/ioli-advanced-study-of-lace

A site with good photos of high quality antique laces: http://www.mendes.co.uk/antique.bobbin.lace.p.two.html ;

Discussion Forum

17th, 18th C lace and others for ID and comments 4 Replies

Hello, I acquired some lovely lace pieces today which I believe are:17th C Point de Venise, 8 cms deep. And 3 examples of 18th C Argentan / Alencon? These are all about 5 cms deep. Then an…Continue

Started by deborah greenfield. Last reply by Lorelei Halley Administrator Dec 7.

Identification Help 2 Replies

Hello I am currently in school for Museum Studies and one of our projects is a textile treatment. I have been having a hard time identifying the type of lace of my textile and was hoping someone…Continue

Started by Sarah. Last reply by Lorelei Halley Administrator Dec 7.

Lace coasters 4 Replies

A friend of mine bought these "lace coasters" (as they were labeled) at a thrift shop in Phoenix, a set of 10 of them for $5 (all identical).  They came wrapped with a piece of tissue paper with a…Continue

Started by Arlene Cohen. Last reply by Arlene Cohen Dec 2.

Help identifying this handmade lace 3 Replies

Hi, I’d love to know the method for making this lace!Continue

Started by Rachel Graf. Last reply by Lorelei Halley Administrator Dec 2.

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Comment by Devon Thein on June 19, 2018 at 7:49am

Carolina,

\uap>Sorry I missed you the other day. 

\uap>Here is another one with a coarse thread. When you say "sort" do you mean classify? It seems to be Milanese trying to look like Mezzo Punto.

Comment by Carolina de la Guardia on June 19, 2018 at 12:08am

Devon, how do you sort out this 17nth. century piece? 

It seems to me a continuous braid Milanese lace but I had never seen before the thick thread worked at the edges of the braid....

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on June 18, 2018 at 5:57pm

Devon - I think you are right.

Comment by Devon Thein on June 18, 2018 at 7:28am

It is not the same as a false plait. A false plait is sewing into itself in an attempt to look like one solid bar. It is true that it might look like a false plait if tensioning were not being provided by the final edge pair. Here is the world's worst diagram.

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on June 17, 2018 at 11:28pm

It is certainly very odd. Definitely bobbin lace,  but I'm not sure about the ground. If it were sewing to a previous row, it could not, physically could not, produce the twisting I see on both the outward and return journey. It would be essentially the same as what is called a "false plait" in bobbin lace. This piece below has false plaits (the ones which do not have picots are false plaits).

http://lynxlace.com/images/T39L.JPG

This one also has false plaits. On the return journey, after the sewing is done, you then have to sew the sewn pair onto itself several times. If done very neatly it can look like a plait/braid or twisted bar, from a distance. But usually they are more visible than that. I admit myself to be doubtful on any certainty.

Comment by Elizabeth Ligeti on June 17, 2018 at 10:09pm

No, Devon, don't despair! I think your eyes are excellent!!  What an interesting piece, though. From the distant photo, - it has a Gros Point Needle lace, look to it - the design part, - but close up it is certainly a bobbin lace. the thick outline thread seems to be secured at every Other row, or after 2 rows,so it is raised up a bit.   the ground is odd!  and joins the braids differently than needle-made ground stitches would join, I think. 

Comment by Devon Thein on June 17, 2018 at 6:43pm

A bobbin lace ground that is mistaken for needle lace in a 17th century piece?

\uap>Here is a 17th century piece which originally seemed to be mezzo punto and was cataloged as having needle lace grounds. But when I looked at it closely, it seemed to me that the ground was made by doing twists and sewings. On one side of the filled area the sewings are done into the twisted edge pair (red). On the other side the twisted edge pair sews into the last row of twists and sewings (purple). Are my eyes deceiving me? I think it is all bobbin lace. Has anyone ever seen this before? 

\uap> Interesting as well is the wrapped thread used on each side of the cloth work, sort of as a coarse thread.

Comment by deborah greenfield on May 17, 2018 at 4:11pm

Yes, I see the difference now.

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on May 16, 2018 at 4:59pm

Here are some photos of some bobbin made grounds.

http://lynxlace.com/bobbinlace2structuralclasses.html#grounds 

and some bobbin lace grounds and little bits to help in identification

http://laceioli.ning.com/photo/albums/identification-photos

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on May 16, 2018 at 4:53pm

To recognize needle lace grounds you need to have worked some of the stitches. There really isn't any other good way to be sure. I recognized the shaped and angularity of the stitches. On my web page below look for the variations on twisted buttonhole stitch, including point d'Espagna and English stitch.

http://lynxlace.com/needlelacestitches.html 

This one will have some discussion, and some photos added to comment boxes.

http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/group/stitches 

http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/albums/stitches-and-stitch-dia... 

 
 
 

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