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Identification-History

For discussions of lace history and lace identification.  You can post a photo into a comment box for a lace you want to discuss.  Bobblin lace history.  About historic lace. Kinds of lace.  Distinguish types of lace.

We can identify a piece of lace for you, but we need good detail.  At least one photo with this kind of detail is necessary.  Otherwise we are just guessing.  A shot of the whole thing is useful because that shows us the style.  Style gives us clues to date and possibly geographical origin.  But we need the detail shot to tell us how it was made.

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Examples + Resources

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http://www.laceforstudy.org.uk/ 

Jean Leader's new website, different types of lace - https://www.lacetypes.com/

To compare needle lace, tatting and crochet, Kathleen Minniti's sampler.

My antique lace boards on Pinterest   

http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/bobbin-lace-antique/ 

http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/needle-lace-antique/ 

My collection of boards on Pinterest http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/ 

Jo Edkins lace collection online:  http://gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/lace/collection/index.htm

Laces compared: https://trc-leiden.nl/trc-digital-exhibition/index.php/lace-identification-7-examples

A university based website specializing in the social history attached to lacemaking

https://laceincontext.com/

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 Bobbin lace    antiquebobbinlace     bobbinlace3     Needle lace    needlelace2 

For recognizing Swedish bobbin lace:  http://elsapetersonsspetsaffar.com/

Tatting     tatting2   tatting3      

Filet lace    filetlace2    filetlace3   filet lace4    Buratto 

Sol lace   sollace2   sol lace3

Knitted lace    knittedlace2     Crochet lace        Irish crochet lace      IrishCrochet2      

TAPE LACE WITH PARTS NOT ALL BOBBIN MADE

Bobbin tape lace  bobbin tape lace 2   

Mixed tape lace-machinetape      Romanian needlepoint lace  

LACES WITH OTHER MACHINE MADE PARTS - net

Embroidery on tulle-needlerun      Embroidery on tulle-tambour        Carrickmacross  

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MACHINE LACES

This is what it takes to make a cloth stitch strip with a machine. I don't know which machine this is. https://www.facebook.com/brooklynlaceguild/videos/1496541547035682/ ;

Chemical lace   ChemicalLace2  chemical lace3     chemical lace4     

See this for a technical explanation of the chemical lace process.

Barmen machine lace        Raschel machine lace     Leavers machine

machine1 (not sure what machine)   

http://www.dressandtextilespecialists.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Lace-Booklet.pdf a booklet which purports to distinguish machine from hand made laces. Some of the diagrams of typical machine structural elements are quite good. But too many of the comparison photos do not have enough detail to verify whether they are in fact machine made or hand made. The photos don't all show the individual threads. Still, the booklet is useful for the diagrams and descriptions of the various machine laces.

RESOURCES TO START LEARNING HOW TO IDENTIFY LACE

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/online-resources 

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/6475898:Page:1417 

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/specific-pages-in-lynxlace 

IOLI.ORG'S RESOURCES

THE KOON COLLECTION

The Koon collection CD is a collection of images from the Eunice Sein Koon
Collection of Lace donated to IOLI by Ms. Koon. Ms. Koon was the editor of
Lace Craft Quarterly and a collector of lace.  It is not related to the
Minnesota collection to the best of my knowledge.  The CD is a series of
Powerpoint slides organized as the collection pieces are numbered.  There
are approximately 100 pieces of various types of lace in the Koon
collection.  Pictures from the CD could be copied and pasted into another
Powerpoint presentation, or the images could be used to request pieces of
lace from the collection for study by IOLI members.  Policy for use of this
lace is described on p. 58 of the IOLI Member Handbook. -- Jo Ann Eurell

LACE STUDY BOX

The IOLI - Internation Organization of Lace, Inc. has a study box of lace fragments that members can borrow.  

(I am searching for a link)

IOLI also has a lending library for members' use

http://www.internationalorganizationoflace.org/library1.html

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/international-organization-of-lace-inc/page/ioli-advanced-study-of-lace

A site with good photos of high quality antique laces: http://www.mendes.co.uk/antique.bobbin.lace.p.two.html ;

Discussion Forum

Strange mesh 3 Replies

Does anyone recognize this lace? My first thought was Lille, but the design is a little off, more like 19th c Valenciennes. Maybe Valenciennes with a round-hole mesh? But Val isn't known for the…Continue

Started by Laurie Waters. Last reply by Lorelei Halley Administrator on Friday.

Lacemaking history 6 Replies

Please, does anyone know for sure how lace tokens were used in Great Britain in the 1700s?I have read theories that the tokens were given in lieu of governmental coinage due to a coin shortage, but…Continue

Started by Laurie Elliott. Last reply by Laurie Waters May 13.

Mystery technique 6 Replies

Someone has contacted the New England Lace Group to ask for help identifying the technique used to make a shawl, the fiber used and how best to repair it. The first problem is actually figuring out…Continue

Started by Jill Hawkins. Last reply by Lorelei Halley Administrator Feb 10.

History of Lacemaking 3 Replies

A friend has been asked to make a presentation about the history of lacemaking. She asked about reference books for her preparation.  My suggestion is An Early Lace Workbook by Rosemary…Continue

Started by Sally Olsen. Last reply by Lorelei Halley Administrator Jan 31.

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Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on March 22, 2020 at 5:53pm

I agree that this may be made in England, because of the fillings. Most of them contain tallies, which is typical of English part laces. And they don't use any of the fillings typical of continental laces: no snowflakes.

As to the term "Point d'Angleterre", I have long thought that the arguments about whether these laces were made in England or on the continent are pointless. I think that term applies to a style that was popular in the mid 18th century. This particular example is, I think, English.

Your 6th photo has a ground with unusually long stacks of half stitches. Mechlin ground usually has a stack of 4 half stitches, but there are other continental laces with stacks of 6 or 8 half stitches. The green ring indicates the ground that I am talking about. I only mention this because there are several different grounds used.

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on March 22, 2020 at 5:39pm

a fascinating piece. Your 3rd photo has an odd ground, which appears to have a sewing. See the red ring outlining the whole area. The blue ring indicates the specific 2 threads which appear to be sewn.

I'm going to respond one thing at a time. (or I'd have to write a book!)

Comment by Devon Thein on March 22, 2020 at 8:31am

I have encountered a lappet thought to be Point d'Angleterre with an origin in Flanders or France. Buts some of the fillings look very English to me, especially one that corresponds to number 169 Braids with Leadworks that appears in Honiton Lace: A collection of rediscovered fillings. The similarity even extends to the use of a coarse thread in both the example in the book and in the lappet. Is there reason to believe that this lappet may have an English origin? I am attaching photos.

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on March 12, 2020 at 9:27pm

Annie

I have been trying to teach the world about lace identification for several years. I have created a whole bunch of pinterest boards, sorted by the structureal type of lace. Most are bobbin laces, but I also have other kinds as well. And there are some portraits showing the shapes of collars and other dress laces to help nail down the chronology. Be prepared to spend hours.

https://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/boards/ 

Comment by Annie Hodges on March 12, 2020 at 7:29pm

Hello Everyone,

I was hoping to locate a lace historian or “type” expert that can help me identify the various laces I have.  Over the years, I’ve tried and tried and tried to understand all the different types and techniques, but it all pretty much looks the same to me.  It’s a really awful feeling to not be able to detect differences and I simply can’t figure out why I struggle so much with it.

Of course, I’m expecting to pay for this service and it will take some creativity since I didn’t find a member in South Carolina or Georgia.  Since I have quite a bit, perhaps we can Skype for an hour or so at a time.  I don’t need the history of the laces, I’m just trying to determine the type it it... Brussels, Etc, bobbin, needle, Etc. Thank you reading and please feel free to reach out to me anytime.  Annie

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on September 20, 2019 at 6:42pm

A question was asked on facebook about how old macrame is. A member found this example of very early macrame, made into an edging.

https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/213445?fbclid=IwAR2...

Comment by Elizabeth Ligeti on July 12, 2019 at 9:14pm

I wish my joins and finishing off was as neat as in these photos you have shown us, Devon!!!   

I have found this a Very interesting discussion, though I have not been able to add anything to it. I have never tried lassen, - but do keep educating me, I love to learn more about lace, and to see the photos of such beautiful pieces.

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on July 12, 2019 at 6:45pm

Hiding threads behind a braid is very difficult. I have never been really good at it. Your example is interesting.

Comment by Devon Thein on July 11, 2019 at 6:39pm

On the ever fascinating topic of lassen, I ran across some lassen on Valenciennes where the join is actually a zig-zag, which would require less of an overlap than a diagonal. The joining in the solid areas is disorderly looking compared to what our teachers would probably think. 

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on June 28, 2019 at 9:11pm

Guipure - joined by bars. Yes that is my understanding too. But it ignores the major structural difference between continuous and part lace.

As I have seen lassen used, it does not usually occur at the corner..  If the lace has gathered corners there still needs to be a join somewhere to attach the end to the beginning.  I do see what you are saying Nancy. With seamed corners there is no need for lassen. But corners worked continuously, or corners gathered might require some kind of join. I suppose we need to look at historic laces from the last half of the 19th century (when these issues came to a head with turned corners), to see what joining methods were used, and how corners were worked. The problem would be to get specificity on the date.

 
 
 

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