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Identification-History

For discussions of lace history and lace identification.  You can post a photo into a comment box for a lace you want to discuss.  Bobblin lace history.  About historic lace. Kinds of lace.  Distinguish types of lace.

We can identify a piece of lace for you, but we need good detail.  At least one photo with this kind of detail is necessary.  Otherwise we are just guessing.  A shot of the whole thing is useful because that shows us the style.  Style gives us clues to date and possibly geographical origin.  But we need the detail shot to tell us how it was made.

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Examples + Resources

PHOTOS   

http://www.laceforstudy.org.uk/ 

Descriptions of several styles of lace - https://www.jeanleader.net/lacestyles/index.html

To compare needle lace, tatting and crochet, Kathleen Minniti's sampler.

My antique lace boards on Pinterest   

http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/bobbin-lace-antique/ 

http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/needle-lace-antique/ 

My collection of boards on Pinterest http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/ 

Jo Edkins lace collection online:  http://gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/lace/collection/index.htm

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 Bobbin lace    antiquebobbinlace     bobbinlace3     Needle lace    needlelace2 

For recognizing Swedish bobbin lace:  http://elsapetersonsspetsaffar.com/

Tatting     tatting2   tatting3      

Filet lace    filetlace2    filetlace3   filet lace4    Buratto 

Sol lace   sollace2   sol lace3

Knitted lace    knittedlace2     Crochet lace        Irish crochet lace      IrishCrochet2      

TAPE LACE WITH PARTS NOT ALL BOBBIN MADE

Bobbin tape lace  bobbin tape lace 2   

Mixed tape lace-machinetape      Romanian needlepoint lace  

LACES WITH OTHER MACHINE MADE PARTS - net

Embroidery on tulle-needlerun      Embroidery on tulle-tambour        Carrickmacross  

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MACHINE LACES

This is what it takes to make a cloth stitch strip with a machine. I don't know which machine this is. https://www.facebook.com/brooklynlaceguild/videos/1496541547035682/ ;

Chemical lace   ChemicalLace2  chemical lace3     chemical lace4     

See this for a technical explanation of the chemical lace process.

Barmen machine lace        Raschel machine lace     Leavers machine

machine1 (not sure what machine)   

RESOURCES TO START LEARNING HOW TO IDENTIFY LACE

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/online-resources 

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/6475898:Page:1417 

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/specific-pages-in-lynxlace 

IOLI.ORG'S RESOURCES

THE KOON COLLECTION

The Koon collection CD is a collection of images from the Eunice Sein Koon
Collection of Lace donated to IOLI by Ms. Koon. Ms. Koon was the editor of
Lace Craft Quarterly and a collector of lace.  It is not related to the
Minnesota collection to the best of my knowledge.  The CD is a series of
Powerpoint slides organized as the collection pieces are numbered.  There
are approximately 100 pieces of various types of lace in the Koon
collection.  Pictures from the CD could be copied and pasted into another
Powerpoint presentation, or the images could be used to request pieces of
lace from the collection for study by IOLI members.  Policy for use of this
lace is described on p. 58 of the IOLI Member Handbook. -- Jo Ann Eurell

LACE STUDY BOX

The IOLI - Internation Organization of Lace, Inc. has a study box of lace fragments that members can borrow.  

(I am searching for a link)

IOLI also has a lending library for members' use

http://www.internationalorganizationoflace.org/library1.html

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/international-organization-of-lace-inc/page/ioli-advanced-study-of-lace

A site with good photos of high quality antique laces: http://www.mendes.co.uk/antique.bobbin.lace.p.two.html ;

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Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on May 16, 2018 at 4:59pm

Here are some photos of some bobbin made grounds.

http://lynxlace.com/bobbinlace2structuralclasses.html#grounds 

and some bobbin lace grounds and little bits to help in identification

http://laceioli.ning.com/photo/albums/identification-photos

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on May 16, 2018 at 4:53pm

To recognize needle lace grounds you need to have worked some of the stitches. There really isn't any other good way to be sure. I recognized the shaped and angularity of the stitches. On my web page below look for the variations on twisted buttonhole stitch, including point d'Espagna and English stitch.

http://lynxlace.com/needlelacestitches.html 

This one will have some discussion, and some photos added to comment boxes.

http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/group/stitches 

http://needlelacetalk.ning.com/photo/albums/stitches-and-stitch-dia... 

Comment by deborah greenfield on May 16, 2018 at 10:55am

Dear Lorelei, As always, thank you so much. On your personal page it seems to me your no 165 bn is the most like this one. I'll attach here 2 pix showing the lace closer up. How do you tell needle lace as aopposed to bobbin made grounds? My uderstanding of part lace is when the different elements are made seperately and then attached when ready - is that right? Here are the close ups, joined together

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Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on May 15, 2018 at 5:17pm

I think these are the ones that are the inspiration for the design of your piece.

https://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/early-brussels-flemish-milan...

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on May 15, 2018 at 4:42pm

Deborah - A very interesting piece, but not Mechlin. This is a bobbin lace in the Brussels and Duchesse family. I have come across about half a dozen piece with these techniques, and have never found anyone who could give me a date and place of origin. Let me explain.

The red lines run along side of raised work, probably a rib. This kind of thing occurs in part laces, but never in a straight lace such as Mechlin. In a straight lace -- continuous lace -- it would be impossible. This next photo shows a motif I made with both a raised rib and a bundle of threads, large scale so it is easy to see. 

The green and blue rings show areas of ground which were added after the motifs were finished. Your photo is not quite close up enough for anybody else to see it, but since I have seen this kind of work I can say with certainty that both areas of ground are needle lace stitches, not bobbin made grounds. The 2 look different because the stitches are spaced differently.

This page from my personal website has 3 examples of this kind of work, numbers are 338, 166, 165.

http://lynxlace.com/bobbinlacerevivalerapart.html#revival%20era%20o...

All were in the possession of a lace merchant when she allowed me to photograph them. The bobbin made motifs are larger and coarser in scale than either Brussels lace or Duchesse, but the kinds of motifs are similar. I think it is possible they were part of the revival movement just before the 1st world war, an attempt to recreate the Flemish part laces of the late 17th century. So I would date it most likely around 1900 give or take a dozen years, and probably Belgium or France.

I am assuming you understand what a part lace is. If you need clarification on that I can give you more information.

This is a very rare type of bobbin lace, so I don't have any other photos to show you, except the ones on my website.

Comment by deborah greenfield on May 15, 2018 at 12:05pm

side B

Comment by deborah greenfield on May 15, 2018 at 12:04pm

Hello experts, Once again, I offer up an interesting (I think) piece for your scrutiny. Found in the UK, it's 6.5" wide. Is it some sort of Mechlin? 18th C, 19th C? I've looked at masses of photos on Lorelei and other's pinterest pages but haven't found anything quite like it. As always, grateful for any thoughts. I'm uploading a pic of side A which has some raised work and side B which is flatter....

Comment by Laurie Elliott on April 30, 2018 at 9:17am

Carolina, thank you for giving us this new site.  Very interesting.

Comment by Carolina de la Guardia on April 28, 2018 at 1:06am

It is impossible for me to see anything in the picture...I am sorry.

The word “randa or randes” applies to both needle and bobbin lace worked on 15nth., and 16nth., cent. in Castilla (Spain).

Cut work as well as “vainicas” are not included into this group. It is just needle.

Maybe “Soles de Salamanca” could be included. They were also made and known as Soles de Tenerife and Soles de Paraguay, and carried to South America by Spanish people in 16nth., cent.

More information (only in Spanish) and pictures:

http://www.museoencaje.com/los-encajes.html?start=10

It is also possible that in South America people have given the name of “randes” to all type of needle and lace coming from Spain at that time, but here they are important differences between needle, needlelace and embroidery, made here before 16nth. century.

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on April 27, 2018 at 7:22pm

I can't see enough detail in your photo to be sure. But here are some links for what I suspect your example is.

This one resulted from a search on      vainicas       the Spanish term for this type of embroidery.

https://www.pinterest.com/search/pins/?q=vainicas&rs=typed&...[]=vainicas%7Ctyped

The 2nd if one of my pinterest pages

https://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/drawn-thread-work/

This type of embroidery is usually classed as drawn thread work. (Drawn fabric refers to "pulled thread work". In drawn thread work some threads are rremoved from the fabric, but not in pulled thread. I have noticed that this type of work is very popular among Spanish lace makers and embroiderers, also in countries in the new world which have a history of Spanish immigration.

 
 
 

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