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Identification-History

For discussions of lace history and lace identification.  You can post a photo into a comment box for a lace you want to discuss.  Bobblin lace history.  About historic lace. Kinds of lace.  Distinguish types of lace.

We can identify a piece of lace for you, but we need good detail.  At least one photo with this kind of detail is necessary.  Otherwise we are just guessing.  A shot of the whole thing is useful because that shows us the style.  Style gives us clues to date and possibly geographical origin.  But we need the detail shot to tell us how it was made.

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Bobbin lace    antiquebobbinlace     bobbinlace3     Needle lace    needlelace2 

http://www.laceforstudy.org.uk/ 

Descriptions of several styles of lace - https://www.jeanleader.net/lacestyles/index.html

To compare needle lace, tatting and crochet, Kathleen Minniti's sampler.

My antique lace boards on Pinterest   

http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/bobbin-lace-antique/ 

http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/needle-lace-antique/ 

My collection of boards on Pinterest http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/

Tatting     tatting2   tatting3      

Embroidery on tulle-needlerun      Embroidery on tulle-tambour        Carrickmacross  

Filet lace    filetlace2    filetlace3   filet lace4    Buratto 

Sol lace   sollace2   sol lace3

Knitted lace    knittedlace2     Crochet lace        Irish crochet lace      IrishCrochet2      

Chemical lace   ChemicalLace2  chemical lace3     chemical lace4     

See this for a technical explanation of the chemical lace process.

Barmen machine lace        Raschel machine lace     Leavers machine

machine1 (not sure what machine)   

I don't know how this machine relates to the Barmen or Rascheel (or other machine)

Bobbin tape lace  bobbin tape lace 2   

Mixed tape lace-machinetape      Romanian needlepoint lace  

For recognizing Swedish bobbin lace:  http://elsapetersonsspetsaffar.com/

RESOURCES TO START LEARNING HOW TO IDENTIFY LACE

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/online-resources 

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/6475898:Page:1417 

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/specific-pages-in-lynxlace 

IOLI.ORG'S RESOURCES

THE KOON COLLECTION

The Koon collection CD is a collection of images from the Eunice Sein Koon
Collection of Lace donated to IOLI by Ms. Koon. Ms. Koon was the editor of
Lace Craft Quarterly and a collector of lace.  It is not related to the
Minnesota collection to the best of my knowledge.  The CD is a series of
Powerpoint slides organized as the collection pieces are numbered.  There
are approximately 100 pieces of various types of lace in the Koon
collection.  Pictures from the CD could be copied and pasted into another
Powerpoint presentation, or the images could be used to request pieces of
lace from the collection for study by IOLI members.  Policy for use of this
lace is described on p. 58 of the IOLI Member Handbook. -- Jo Ann Eurell

LACE STUDY BOX

The IOLI - Internation Organization of Lace, Inc. has a study box of lace fragments that members can borrow.  

(I am searching for a link)

IOLI also has a lending library for members' use

http://www.internationalorganizationoflace.org/library1.html

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/international-organization-of-lace-inc/page/ioli-advanced-study-of-lace

A site with good photos of high quality antique laces: http://www.mendes.co.uk/antique.bobbin.lace.p.two.html ;

Discussion Forum

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Hi everyone, i have a lovely 1920s dress made from the prettiest lace, i assume its machine made, but can someone tell me what tis style of lace is called? Thanks in advance !Continue

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Indexes for 'A Lace Guide for Makers and Collectors' by Gertrude Whiting 9 Replies

Someone of IOLI told me about 'A Lace Guide for Makers and Collectors' by Gertrude Whiting (1920). I can't find who, but thank you! This book has a LARGE number of grounds, with names, photo and…Continue

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Help with Needlepoint Lace ID 16 Replies

HI All,I have recently acquired this wonderful lace collar which I believe is a needle or needlepoint lace. Even though I have purchased 3 books on lace ID(which I love by the way)  I often become…Continue

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Comment by Cindy Tiger on September 5, 2017 at 3:54pm

I do agree that the lace is older. I am tentatively dating it 1690-1720 Venetian Rosepoint needlelace. I am working on this for a museum and they are interested in what era the lace would be worn. Hense my curiosity about the date of the cap.

It does not seem to be pieced together, but it may very possibly have been cut down and reshaped in that way. And the little edging added all around at that time. I have found one picture of a woman wearing a lace cap with a little ruffle at the back, c. 1800, but nothing with tails, and the picture I saw was a cloth cap and not a fancy lace one.

It is really pretty big (13") but I am now wondering if maybe it is one half of a purse, with the triangle "tails" at the top of the bag that flop over the strings that gather the purse closure. But that would make a really big purse for anyone pre-1800!

Comment by Carolina de la Guardia on September 5, 2017 at 2:55pm
I agree that it seems an old piece refashioned.
The style seems to me that it is a Venetian lace.
Comment by Karen Thompson on September 5, 2017 at 2:31pm

Agree that the lace looks older, and I think it looks like it was refashioned. If you look carefully under a magnifier, I think you will find that it is pieced together to make the old lace wearable as a fashionable headdress

 

Comment by Devon Thein on September 5, 2017 at 10:08am

It sort of reminds me of this from the Traditonal Bedfordshire lace, which would be about mid 19th century? The lace looks much older though. Of course, refashioning of older lace was extensively done in the 19th century. 

Comment by Devon Thein on September 5, 2017 at 10:07am

Comment by Cindy Tiger on September 5, 2017 at 10:01am

I have a piece of lace I am trying to date. It is a needlelace cap of an unusual design and I am sure the shape of the cap will date it fairly specifically, but I am coming up blank with my search of costume and fashion designs. I have begun to doubt myself on this so much that I am willing to entertain the idea that it is not a cap at all, but I can't imagine what else it could be. It measures 13 3/4" top to bottom, and 13" across. The close-up picture I am including is the best resolution I could get. Any help at all will be greatly appreciated.

Comment by Paula Harten on August 16, 2017 at 3:50pm

Thank you - that was fun. I learned to make bobbin lace in The Netherlands when we lived there in the 70's.  Even though we returned to the US over 30 years ago, I could still read this.  Some terms used in the Belgian Dutch are different from what I learned - nice to know.

Comment by Administrator on August 15, 2017 at 5:04pm

Just for fun -- a mid 18th c bobbin lace lappet

http://cvosg-kant-en-fotografie.blogspot.be/

Comment by Devon Thein on August 15, 2017 at 11:15am

I don't rule out that this piece could be a sample, cut from a larger piece, for purposes of having in a lace collection. Along the edges it looks like it could have been cut, and samples of this size were put in collection sample books or just in collections. "Irish Crochet" was made in France and Italy, also there was an Irish crochet industry in Yokohama, Japan. Looking at this piece, there are picots in the mesh. I seem to recall that Maire Treanor, who revitalized Clones Irish Crochet lace said this was a characteristic of Clones. Maybe you should check out her websites/books and youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVGUMBZKR28

Comment by Helen Bell on August 15, 2017 at 11:04am

I don't know enough about Irish crochet to declare my self to have any kind of expertise, but are you sure it's Irish Crochet, and not some other kind that has a similar style of construction?  I know Romanian point is more modern, but I have a feeling I read somewhere (an old Piecework, maybe), that the French were doing something similar around that time - either copying the Irish or vice versa.

I concur that it's from something abandoned or cut off (an error in the design maybe?). There's either only 1 repeat of the pattern or a partial repeat.

Nice find :-)

 
 
 

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