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Identification-History

For discussions of lace history and lace identification.  You can post a photo into a comment box for a lace you want to discuss.  Bobblin lace history.  About historic lace. Kinds of lace.  Distinguish types of lace.

We can identify a piece of lace for you, but we need good detail.  At least one photo with this kind of detail is necessary.  Otherwise we are just guessing.  A shot of the whole thing is useful because that shows us the style.  Style gives us clues to date and possibly geographical origin.  But we need the detail shot to tell us how it was made.

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Examples + Resources

PHOTOS   

http://www.laceforstudy.org.uk/ 

Descriptions of several styles of lace - https://www.jeanleader.net/lacestyles/index.html

To compare needle lace, tatting and crochet, Kathleen Minniti's sampler.

My antique lace boards on Pinterest   

http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/bobbin-lace-antique/ 

http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/needle-lace-antique/ 

My collection of boards on Pinterest http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/ 

Jo Edkins lace collection online:  http://gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/lace/collection/index.htm

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 Bobbin lace    antiquebobbinlace     bobbinlace3     Needle lace    needlelace2 

Tatting     tatting2   tatting3      

Embroidery on tulle-needlerun      Embroidery on tulle-tambour        Carrickmacross  

Filet lace    filetlace2    filetlace3   filet lace4    Buratto 

Sol lace   sollace2   sol lace3

Knitted lace    knittedlace2     Crochet lace        Irish crochet lace      IrishCrochet2      

Chemical lace   ChemicalLace2  chemical lace3     chemical lace4     

See this for a technical explanation of the chemical lace process.

Barmen machine lace        Raschel machine lace     Leavers machine

machine1 (not sure what machine)   

I don't know how this machine relates to the Barmen or Rascheel (or other machine)

Bobbin tape lace  bobbin tape lace 2   

Mixed tape lace-machinetape      Romanian needlepoint lace  

For recognizing Swedish bobbin lace:  http://elsapetersonsspetsaffar.com/

RESOURCES TO START LEARNING HOW TO IDENTIFY LACE

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/online-resources 

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/6475898:Page:1417 

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/specific-pages-in-lynxlace 

IOLI.ORG'S RESOURCES

THE KOON COLLECTION

The Koon collection CD is a collection of images from the Eunice Sein Koon
Collection of Lace donated to IOLI by Ms. Koon. Ms. Koon was the editor of
Lace Craft Quarterly and a collector of lace.  It is not related to the
Minnesota collection to the best of my knowledge.  The CD is a series of
Powerpoint slides organized as the collection pieces are numbered.  There
are approximately 100 pieces of various types of lace in the Koon
collection.  Pictures from the CD could be copied and pasted into another
Powerpoint presentation, or the images could be used to request pieces of
lace from the collection for study by IOLI members.  Policy for use of this
lace is described on p. 58 of the IOLI Member Handbook. -- Jo Ann Eurell

LACE STUDY BOX

The IOLI - Internation Organization of Lace, Inc. has a study box of lace fragments that members can borrow.  

(I am searching for a link)

IOLI also has a lending library for members' use

http://www.internationalorganizationoflace.org/library1.html

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/international-organization-of-lace-inc/page/ioli-advanced-study-of-lace

A site with good photos of high quality antique laces: http://www.mendes.co.uk/antique.bobbin.lace.p.two.html ;

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Comment by Administrator on February 2, 2018 at 6:07pm

Devon - those examples of yours do resemble the lace under discussion. Weird!

Comment by Karen Spencer on February 2, 2018 at 10:45am

Hi Ladies !

     Thanking all of you again for trying to identify this lace pattern, or macrame pattern or whatever.  You help has been much appreciated and you have all given me a bit of relief to know I am not the only one having trouble figuring this out.

     I don't have the tablecloth in front of me....this belongs to a friend of mine and it is at her house.  She has offered for me to pick it up and that way I could take more pictures of it for you as requested.  This may take a few days as she lives a distance away, but I will do that soon.

     Thank you all for your help so far, and for the web sites you have suggested I view.

      You ladies have a good day.

-Karen Spencer

Comment by Devon Thein on February 2, 2018 at 9:34am

I wish we had a close-up photo of this. It reminds me of a piece we have in the museum which arrived in 1909. I have spent a fair amount of time looking at that piece and trying to figure out what it was. We found these websites that explained  how you could make something like this on a small loom. Take a look at these links 

: http://www.knitting-and.com/small-looms/grid.htm
http://www.knitting-and.com/butterfly/pdf/magic-looms.pdf


Perhaps the best illustration is this Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BW1FyGWQf7Q

I don't even know what you would call this. Maybe "tying"?

Comment by Nancy A. Neff on February 2, 2018 at 9:16am

I received a note back from Rita: "Hi Nancy, I don't think it is netting or lacis. When I blow it up fairly large, I do not see knots, I see fibers twisting together, not knotted together."

So we're back to my initial thought that those intersections were twists rather than very smooth knots. If so, then it could have been done using bobbins, I suppose, with each intersection supported by a pin and the threads doing noting more than twisting above the pin, rather like a point ground but with two crosses at each pin and no twists. That isn't like any bobbin-lace I know of however.

I think we are dependent now on Karen to look really closely at where it is coming apart to tell us if it is knotted or twisted, and to look at the bottom edge to see if there are threads ending there or is it continuous as if it started from that edge.  

Comment by Paula Harten on February 1, 2018 at 6:18pm

Sorry, I did not mean to infer that it was filet net as that is done with a shuttle with a single thread, as is needle knotted laces such as is Armenian, although there they have a way of joining loops to look tike this.  It is most like Greek Finger Lace, except for dealing with so many ends.  Definitely not filet.  Filet would not have threads to bundle at the end anyway.

Comment by Nancy A. Neff on February 1, 2018 at 3:23pm

It's definitely not bobbin-lace -- I'd bet a thousand bucks on that. I just emailed Rita and sent her the link to the original post. I'm sure she will be able to say if it is or isn't filet netting.  Meanwhile, Karen, could you look at the way the small tassels are attached and see if the threads of the netting tie on the tassel, and/or go down into the tassel?

Comment by Nancy A. Neff on February 1, 2018 at 3:04pm

I disagree about where the lace was started. It looks like bundles of threads going up the sides of the triangles away from the points, as if it was worked from the fabric edge down and the ends were bundled up and trimmed. At the very points, it looks to me as if the ends of the threads were knotted in the tassle, attaching the tassle and burying the ends of the threads inside. It really doesn't look like filet lace to me, because the path of the threads look to me like they are going in a generally zigzag line from the fabric to the edge, whereas filet is made by tying loops of thread along the diagonal if a rectangular piece is being made. Rita Bartholomew (the woman behind knotsindeed) would know in a flash I'll bet, and she's a member of this ning circle. Is it possible to tag a member? I'll email her with a link to the initial post.

Comment by Karen Spencer on February 1, 2018 at 2:58pm

Thank you Gabriele and Paula....I had thought a few days ago it could be filet net....but then I switched back to being confused again and thinking bobbin lace etc.  I will go back to research on filet net, and I thank you Gabriele for your web site I can go to and videos I can watch.

Much appreciation to everyone again for all of your thoughts on this.

-Karen Spencer

Comment by Gabriele Patzner on February 1, 2018 at 1:02pm
Comment by Paula Harten on February 1, 2018 at 12:01pm

This appears to me that this hand knotted lace was started at the points by supporting threads in the manner of bobbin lace and then worked to the desired width of the edging.  I say this because there are no ends to make the fringe at the points as in most hand knotted lace.  There are not enough threads bundled along the sides of the points and across the bottom of them to have worked out all the extra pairs if it was made from the other direction.  The tassels were added later.  The attachment of the threads to the fabric also does not look to have been attached by pulling through a loop and knotting as in starting Greek finger lace, for example.  This theory does bring up questions of how all the loose ends were secured in the hem of the cloth and how the edging was joined to itself, or is the edging only on some of the cloth?  It would be nice to see a few more images.

I keep looking for any chance that it might have possibly been done in the manner of Armenian needle knotted lace, but it is not quite right with the double threads.

As for the age, I is quite possible for an 80 yr old to have a great grandmother born in the  very early 1800's who would not have made this until she was older, thus having made the lace easily in the 1800's.

I suppose this just confuses the matter.

Paula

 
 
 

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