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Identification-History

For discussions of lace history and lace identification.  You can post a photo into a comment box for a lace you want to discuss.  Bobblin lace history.  About historic lace. Kinds of lace.  Distinguish types of lace.

We can identify a piece of lace for you, but we need good detail.  At least one photo with this kind of detail is necessary.  Otherwise we are just guessing.  A shot of the whole thing is useful because that shows us the style.  Style gives us clues to date and possibly geographical origin.  But we need the detail shot to tell us how it was made.

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Bobbin lace    antiquebobbinlace     bobbinlace3     Needle lace    needlelace2 

http://www.laceforstudy.org.uk/ 

Descriptions of several styles of lace - https://www.jeanleader.net/lacestyles/index.html

To compare needle lace, tatting and crochet, Kathleen Minniti's sampler.

My antique lace boards on Pinterest   

http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/bobbin-lace-antique/ 

http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/needle-lace-antique/ 

My collection of boards on Pinterest http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/

Tatting     tatting2   tatting3      

Embroidery on tulle-needlerun      Embroidery on tulle-tambour        Carrickmacross  

Filet lace    filetlace2    filetlace3   filet lace4    Buratto 

Sol lace   sollace2   sol lace3

Knitted lace    knittedlace2     Crochet lace        Irish crochet lace      IrishCrochet2      

Chemical lace   ChemicalLace2  chemical lace3     chemical lace4     

See this for a technical explanation of the chemical lace process.

Barmen machine lace        Raschel machine lace     Leavers machine

machine1 (not sure what machine)   

I don't know how this machine relates to the Barmen or Rascheel (or other machine)

Bobbin tape lace  bobbin tape lace 2   

Mixed tape lace-machinetape      Romanian needlepoint lace  

For recognizing Swedish bobbin lace:  http://elsapetersonsspetsaffar.com/

RESOURCES TO START LEARNING HOW TO IDENTIFY LACE

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/online-resources 

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/6475898:Page:1417 

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/specific-pages-in-lynxlace 

IOLI.ORG'S RESOURCES

THE KOON COLLECTION

The Koon collection CD is a collection of images from the Eunice Sein Koon
Collection of Lace donated to IOLI by Ms. Koon. Ms. Koon was the editor of
Lace Craft Quarterly and a collector of lace.  It is not related to the
Minnesota collection to the best of my knowledge.  The CD is a series of
Powerpoint slides organized as the collection pieces are numbered.  There
are approximately 100 pieces of various types of lace in the Koon
collection.  Pictures from the CD could be copied and pasted into another
Powerpoint presentation, or the images could be used to request pieces of
lace from the collection for study by IOLI members.  Policy for use of this
lace is described on p. 58 of the IOLI Member Handbook. -- Jo Ann Eurell

LACE STUDY BOX

The IOLI - Internation Organization of Lace, Inc. has a study box of lace fragments that members can borrow.  

(I am searching for a link)

IOLI also has a lending library for members' use

http://www.internationalorganizationoflace.org/library1.html

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/international-organization-of-lace-inc/page/ioli-advanced-study-of-lace

A site with good photos of high quality antique laces: http://www.mendes.co.uk/antique.bobbin.lace.p.two.html ;

Discussion Forum

Help with Needlepoint Lace ID 16 Replies

HI All,I have recently acquired this wonderful lace collar which I believe is a needle or needlepoint lace. Even though I have purchased 3 books on lace ID(which I love by the way)  I often become…Continue

Started by Jill Schwartz. Last reply by Administrator Feb 15.

Lace Maps 3 Replies

I thought it might be useful to post a map of part of the lace making world. This google map shows part of modern Belgium. The red balloon i the town of Mechelen/Mechlin/Malines. It is haflway…Continue

Tags: Mechlin, lace history, lace identification

Started by Administrator. Last reply by Administrator Feb 11.

Lace Collar~ Totally Lost 13 Replies

I am hoping to learn more about this gorgeous lace collar. I am so impressed when I see the color markings on other posts by admin. I am also so impressed by the amount of knowledge on this amazing…Continue

Tags: collar, lace, antique

Started by Lorene. Last reply by Administrator Jan 10.

Hoping for some help identifying this piece 11 Replies

Hi, I was hoping for some help regarding the type of lace this is. I was also hoping that I might find out it's age and origin. Thank you all so very much. I have learned so much already just reading…Continue

Started by Lorene. Last reply by Helen Bell Jan 8.

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Comment by Administrator on March 16, 2017 at 5:51pm

I agree with Carolina. The photo of the whole thing shows a lace which looks good at first glance. But the solid areas, the cloth stitch, are a bit odd for hand made. There are prominent vertical ridges. Handmade cloth stitch would show absolutely equal prominence of the horizontal and vertical lines, not the prominence of vertical lines.

The red line shows a region which looks very strange. Those little squares would look very different if they were handmade, either as tallies or as spots.

A 2nd issue is the gimp, the thick thread which outlines all the motifs. It has an unusual prominence in this piece. So I am thinking it may have been sewn on top of the lace with a needle and thread, instead of being worked in as the lace was made. Look at the back of the piece. If the gimp does not show as prominently on the back side, then it was added on top later. This would also be an indication of machine made, since lace by hand work the gimp in very fast, and adding the gimp on top later would actually take more time.

Lorelei

Comment by Barbara Vanselow on March 16, 2017 at 9:55am

Thank you very much, I wasn't sure.

Comment by Carolina de la Guardia on March 16, 2017 at 1:44am
Barbara, this a machine mAde lace...
Comment by Barbara Vanselow on March 15, 2017 at 8:15pm

I am hoping someone can tell me about this lace piece

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Comment by Administrator on February 3, 2017 at 5:46pm

Barbara

Your detail1 is close up enough to determine the method. It is definitely a bobbin lace. It is a part lace, meaning the little bits are made with a separate group of bobbins. The green lines follow a motif made of half stitch. The blue lines show motifs made of cloth stitch, or half cloth and half half stitch. The red lines follow braids, going and returning, which hold the whole thing together.

The style is unusual, not the more common laces. Stylistically I would say it dates from around 1900, give or take 10-20 years. It is too coarse for Duchesse. It is definitely not Honiton or English. It is not the rigidly predictable Bruges Bloomwork. It might be what is called "fine Bloomwork", a type halfway between Duchesse and Bloomwork in scale and complexity. But the style is more like some Italian needle laces I have seen. (When I looked at the whole object, I thought it might be Italian needle lace. detail1 showed me it was bobbin lace.) So it might be northern Italian.

Here are links to my pinboard for fine bloomwork, for comparison purposes.

https://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/fine-bloomwork-coarse-duchesse/

Lorelei

Comment by Barbara Vanselow on February 3, 2017 at 10:42am

I know I have seen similar lace on here before, could you give me any information on this lace tableclothtablecloth.JPG

detail2.JPG;   detail1.JPG.

I appreciate your help very much, thank you

Comment by Georgia Seitz on January 10, 2017 at 11:48am

Thanks for those suggestions.

Comment by Helen Bell on January 10, 2017 at 8:12am

I wondered if it was a type of heavy machine lace.  The wheels are woven around, so they're not crochet, and there's a definite back and forth in places.  It looks to be a very heavy thread ....

Comment by Administrator on January 9, 2017 at 9:40pm

I am at a loss.  It is NOT bobbin lace, NOT needlelace, NOT a sol lace, NOT filet lacis, NOT tatting. That leaves crochet as a possible, only because it is the last one standing.  There is a style of crochet called "Bruges crochet" and it imitates tape lace. That tape-like element in the design might be "Bruges crochet".

Comment by Georgia Seitz on January 9, 2017 at 4:06pm

Carolyn Groves has asked for help in determining the method used to create this collar. I do not know. Any help most appreciated.

 
 
 

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