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Identification-History

For discussions of lace history and lace identification.  You can post a photo into a comment box for a lace you want to discuss.  Bobblin lace history.  About historic lace. Kinds of lace.  Distinguish types of lace.

We can identify a piece of lace for you, but we need good detail.  At least one photo with this kind of detail is necessary.  Otherwise we are just guessing.  A shot of the whole thing is useful because that shows us the style.  Style gives us clues to date and possibly geographical origin.  But we need the detail shot to tell us how it was made.

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Examples + Resources

PHOTOS   

http://www.laceforstudy.org.uk/ 

Descriptions of several styles of lace - https://www.jeanleader.net/lacestyles/index.html

To compare needle lace, tatting and crochet, Kathleen Minniti's sampler.

My antique lace boards on Pinterest   

http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/bobbin-lace-antique/ 

http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/needle-lace-antique/ 

My collection of boards on Pinterest http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/ 

Jo Edkins lace collection online:  http://gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/lace/collection/index.htm

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 Bobbin lace    antiquebobbinlace     bobbinlace3     Needle lace    needlelace2 

Tatting     tatting2   tatting3      

Embroidery on tulle-needlerun      Embroidery on tulle-tambour        Carrickmacross  

Filet lace    filetlace2    filetlace3   filet lace4    Buratto 

Sol lace   sollace2   sol lace3

Knitted lace    knittedlace2     Crochet lace        Irish crochet lace      IrishCrochet2      

Chemical lace   ChemicalLace2  chemical lace3     chemical lace4     

See this for a technical explanation of the chemical lace process.

Barmen machine lace        Raschel machine lace     Leavers machine

machine1 (not sure what machine)   

I don't know how this machine relates to the Barmen or Rascheel (or other machine)

Bobbin tape lace  bobbin tape lace 2   

Mixed tape lace-machinetape      Romanian needlepoint lace  

For recognizing Swedish bobbin lace:  http://elsapetersonsspetsaffar.com/

RESOURCES TO START LEARNING HOW TO IDENTIFY LACE

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/online-resources 

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/6475898:Page:1417 

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/specific-pages-in-lynxlace 

IOLI.ORG'S RESOURCES

THE KOON COLLECTION

The Koon collection CD is a collection of images from the Eunice Sein Koon
Collection of Lace donated to IOLI by Ms. Koon. Ms. Koon was the editor of
Lace Craft Quarterly and a collector of lace.  It is not related to the
Minnesota collection to the best of my knowledge.  The CD is a series of
Powerpoint slides organized as the collection pieces are numbered.  There
are approximately 100 pieces of various types of lace in the Koon
collection.  Pictures from the CD could be copied and pasted into another
Powerpoint presentation, or the images could be used to request pieces of
lace from the collection for study by IOLI members.  Policy for use of this
lace is described on p. 58 of the IOLI Member Handbook. -- Jo Ann Eurell

LACE STUDY BOX

The IOLI - Internation Organization of Lace, Inc. has a study box of lace fragments that members can borrow.  

(I am searching for a link)

IOLI also has a lending library for members' use

http://www.internationalorganizationoflace.org/library1.html

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/international-organization-of-lace-inc/page/ioli-advanced-study-of-lace

A site with good photos of high quality antique laces: http://www.mendes.co.uk/antique.bobbin.lace.p.two.html ;

Discussion Forum

Point ground

This is part of a collar from around 1890-1910. It is made in Sweden. I wonder if someone recognises the pattern or figures in the pattern. It is from Vadstena, but I suspect it is influenced from…Continue

Started by Karin Landtblom Jul 4.

One more from Selma Giöbel

This one is designed by the same woman, Selma Giöbel, that I wrote about in previous discussion.THe same question here, has anyone seen something similar to this? Could it origin from France?//Karin…Continue

Started by Karin Landtblom Jul 4.

Dragonfly

This lace is from Sweden and (maybe) designed by Selma Giöbel, however she did import laces from France. My question is if anyone have seen something similar, and in that case if one can trace the…Continue

Started by Karin Landtblom Jul 4.

Once Again on Chantilly Hand vs Machine made 5 Replies

Hello, Ages ago we had a discussion on distinguishing handmade vs machinemade Chantilly lace. I found it very helpful but now have a couple of pieces that I'm again not sure about. These 2 lace…Continue

Started by deborah greenfield. Last reply by Lorelei Halley Administrator Jun 2.

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Comment by Laura Sandison on June 19, 2018 at 9:30am

My thought is bobbin lace for sure. The tape is worked as a cloth tape, but with an interesting compensation at the inner curves. Rather than dropping one pair at a time, there are several that are picked up when the tape comes around. Inner fillings are a curiosity! But appear to come from pairs within the tape. It does seem that the joins are added later. Perhaps after the tape is filled, they are added, as a pair, and taken around to join the motives. There are so many ends that this seems reasonable.  What interesting pieces!  The one yesterday I feel the same about. Perhaps those heavy, twisted outline pair are to represent the padding on gros point?

Comment by Devon Thein on June 19, 2018 at 8:20am

Here is another one, where the appearance of needle lace is done even better! 

I think it is really bobbin lace, though. But I can't figure out how they do it. I can see two pairs coming in. Somehow, one of each pair interact, But it isn't a simple cross. Is it a more elaborate interaction where you hold the bobbins in your hand and cross them several times like tying a bow? Then the pairs resume, twist, perhaps twice. Then they do the elaborate interaction between one bobbin of each pair. Then they resume, twist. Then the elaborate interaction. I can't really figure it out. But I don't think it is needle lace. Can anyone else figure it out? Maybe they have seen this before? 

Comment by Devon Thein on June 19, 2018 at 7:49am

Carolina,

Sorry I missed you the other day. 

Here is another one with a coarse thread. When you say "sort" do you mean classify? It seems to be Milanese trying to look like Mezzo Punto.

Comment by Carolina de la Guardia on June 19, 2018 at 12:08am

Devon, how do you sort out this 17nth. century piece? 

It seems to me a continuous braid Milanese lace but I had never seen before the thick thread worked at the edges of the braid....

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on June 18, 2018 at 5:57pm

Devon - I think you are right.

Comment by Devon Thein on June 18, 2018 at 7:28am

It is not the same as a false plait. A false plait is sewing into itself in an attempt to look like one solid bar. It is true that it might look like a false plait if tensioning were not being provided by the final edge pair. Here is the world's worst diagram.

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on June 17, 2018 at 11:28pm

It is certainly very odd. Definitely bobbin lace,  but I'm not sure about the ground. If it were sewing to a previous row, it could not, physically could not, produce the twisting I see on both the outward and return journey. It would be essentially the same as what is called a "false plait" in bobbin lace. This piece below has false plaits (the ones which do not have picots are false plaits).

http://lynxlace.com/images/T39L.JPG

This one also has false plaits. On the return journey, after the sewing is done, you then have to sew the sewn pair onto itself several times. If done very neatly it can look like a plait/braid or twisted bar, from a distance. But usually they are more visible than that. I admit myself to be doubtful on any certainty.

Comment by Elizabeth Ligeti on June 17, 2018 at 10:09pm

No, Devon, don't despair! I think your eyes are excellent!!  What an interesting piece, though. From the distant photo, - it has a Gros Point Needle lace, look to it - the design part, - but close up it is certainly a bobbin lace. the thick outline thread seems to be secured at every Other row, or after 2 rows,so it is raised up a bit.   the ground is odd!  and joins the braids differently than needle-made ground stitches would join, I think. 

Comment by Devon Thein on June 17, 2018 at 6:43pm

A bobbin lace ground that is mistaken for needle lace in a 17th century piece?

Here is a 17th century piece which originally seemed to be mezzo punto and was cataloged as having needle lace grounds. But when I looked at it closely, it seemed to me that the ground was made by doing twists and sewings. On one side of the filled area the sewings are done into the twisted edge pair (red). On the other side the twisted edge pair sews into the last row of twists and sewings (purple). Are my eyes deceiving me? I think it is all bobbin lace. Has anyone ever seen this before? 

Interesting as well is the wrapped thread used on each side of the cloth work, sort of as a coarse thread.

Comment by deborah greenfield on May 17, 2018 at 4:11pm

Yes, I see the difference now.

 
 
 

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