I'm still in my thinking/wondering bobble. What tool do you use when you do bobbin lace & tatting shuttle with metal thread? 

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There is a kind of bobbin called a hookie, because it has a wooden hook at the top, instead of a normal neck.  That stops the metal wire from unwinding, but doesn't put a crimp in the wire that would weaken the wire (as a hitch would).  I'll see if I can find a photo.

Here is one in the English style, with a spangle ring:

http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/lace/bobbins/specials.html 

Metal one, not sure if widely used: http://www.etsy.com/listing/109117862/hookie-lace-bobbin 

Near the bottom of the page: http://www.make-lace-with-us.com/lacemakers.html

Thank you. Do you wind them up as the ordinary one?

I am not an expert at wire lace, but from what I have heard it is recommended to first wind one layer of thread on the neck, then wind the wire on top of that.  Apparently the thread lay is supposed to keep the wire from sliding around on the wood.  (Not enough friction between metal and wood for holding it.)

Please, anybody who has done some wire lace,  join in to this discussion.

Thank you. I'm not sure if I understand you right. Do I wind the metallic thread as usual on the bobbin and then on the hook?

The hook actually replaces the hitch on the neck of the bobbin because you don't want to kink the wire.  The hook let's you tension the wire without inducing kinks.  Wire is one of my favorite things!  I have done both bobbin lace and tatting in wire.

it just occurs to me to tell you that you don't "wind" the wire on the hook.  The hook is to apply pressure on the wire without inducing kink.

Thank you. I think there are some confusion about if it is a metallic thread (not wire) and wire. I meant metallic thread, it is rather delicate and will easily splintering if not handle correctly. Do you make two loops on the hook instead or do you not do any loops at all. Every info about wire is also of interest. 

If it is a metallic thread, then the way the thread is made comes into play.

If the metallic is single ply of a flat metalized plastic, then I just wind it like thread and apply tension very carefully.  

If the metallic is multi-ply, then I don't have to be so careful.

If there is a thread core, it works almost the same as any bobbin lace thread.

I have wire bobbins that are only about 3 inches long.  They have a tiny cup hook on the top or out the side of the top of the bobbin and a hole drilled through the base of the space where the wire is wound.  So I stick the end of the wire through the hole, wind the wire and then slip it into the cup hook and off I go.

The "hookies" that ioli talked about are mostly for metallic gimps.  Some people use the hookies for all their bobbins for metallic or metal threads, but that can get pretty expensive.

Thank you very much for quick response. :) Kirsten

Thanks Patty for the detailed explanation.

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