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Identification-History

For discussions of lace history and lace identification.  You can post a photo into a comment box for a lace you want to discuss.  Bobblin lace history.  About historic lace. Kinds of lace.  Distinguish types of lace.

We can identify a piece of lace for you, but we need good detail.  At least one photo with this kind of detail is necessary.  Otherwise we are just guessing.  A shot of the whole thing is useful because that shows us the style.  Style gives us clues to date and possibly geographical origin.  But we need the detail shot to tell us how it was made.

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Examples + Resources

PHOTOS   

http://www.laceforstudy.org.uk/ 

Descriptions of several styles of lace - https://www.jeanleader.net/lacestyles/index.html

To compare needle lace, tatting and crochet, Kathleen Minniti's sampler.

My antique lace boards on Pinterest   

http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/bobbin-lace-antique/ 

http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/needle-lace-antique/ 

My collection of boards on Pinterest http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/ 

Jo Edkins lace collection online:  http://gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/lace/collection/index.htm

A university based website specializing in the social history attached to lacemaking

https://laceincontext.com/

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 Bobbin lace    antiquebobbinlace     bobbinlace3     Needle lace    needlelace2 

For recognizing Swedish bobbin lace:  http://elsapetersonsspetsaffar.com/

Tatting     tatting2   tatting3      

Filet lace    filetlace2    filetlace3   filet lace4    Buratto 

Sol lace   sollace2   sol lace3

Knitted lace    knittedlace2     Crochet lace        Irish crochet lace      IrishCrochet2      

TAPE LACE WITH PARTS NOT ALL BOBBIN MADE

Bobbin tape lace  bobbin tape lace 2   

Mixed tape lace-machinetape      Romanian needlepoint lace  

LACES WITH OTHER MACHINE MADE PARTS - net

Embroidery on tulle-needlerun      Embroidery on tulle-tambour        Carrickmacross  

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MACHINE LACES

This is what it takes to make a cloth stitch strip with a machine. I don't know which machine this is. https://www.facebook.com/brooklynlaceguild/videos/1496541547035682/ ;

Chemical lace   ChemicalLace2  chemical lace3     chemical lace4     

See this for a technical explanation of the chemical lace process.

Barmen machine lace        Raschel machine lace     Leavers machine

machine1 (not sure what machine)   

RESOURCES TO START LEARNING HOW TO IDENTIFY LACE

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/online-resources 

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/6475898:Page:1417 

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/specific-pages-in-lynxlace 

IOLI.ORG'S RESOURCES

THE KOON COLLECTION

The Koon collection CD is a collection of images from the Eunice Sein Koon
Collection of Lace donated to IOLI by Ms. Koon. Ms. Koon was the editor of
Lace Craft Quarterly and a collector of lace.  It is not related to the
Minnesota collection to the best of my knowledge.  The CD is a series of
Powerpoint slides organized as the collection pieces are numbered.  There
are approximately 100 pieces of various types of lace in the Koon
collection.  Pictures from the CD could be copied and pasted into another
Powerpoint presentation, or the images could be used to request pieces of
lace from the collection for study by IOLI members.  Policy for use of this
lace is described on p. 58 of the IOLI Member Handbook. -- Jo Ann Eurell

LACE STUDY BOX

The IOLI - Internation Organization of Lace, Inc. has a study box of lace fragments that members can borrow.  

(I am searching for a link)

IOLI also has a lending library for members' use

http://www.internationalorganizationoflace.org/library1.html

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/international-organization-of-lace-inc/page/ioli-advanced-study-of-lace

A site with good photos of high quality antique laces: http://www.mendes.co.uk/antique.bobbin.lace.p.two.html ;

Discussion Forum

17th, 18th C lace and others for ID and comments 4 Replies

Hello, I acquired some lovely lace pieces today which I believe are:17th C Point de Venise, 8 cms deep. And 3 examples of 18th C Argentan / Alencon? These are all about 5 cms deep. Then an…Continue

Started by deborah greenfield. Last reply by Lorelei Halley Administrator Dec 7.

Identification Help 2 Replies

Hello I am currently in school for Museum Studies and one of our projects is a textile treatment. I have been having a hard time identifying the type of lace of my textile and was hoping someone…Continue

Started by Sarah. Last reply by Lorelei Halley Administrator Dec 7.

Lace coasters 4 Replies

A friend of mine bought these "lace coasters" (as they were labeled) at a thrift shop in Phoenix, a set of 10 of them for $5 (all identical).  They came wrapped with a piece of tissue paper with a…Continue

Started by Arlene Cohen. Last reply by Arlene Cohen Dec 2.

Help identifying this handmade lace 3 Replies

Hi, I’d love to know the method for making this lace!Continue

Started by Rachel Graf. Last reply by Lorelei Halley Administrator Dec 2.

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Comment by Sandra Popek on December 11, 2018 at 6:41pm

Thank you for the website Lorelei !

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on December 11, 2018 at 6:13pm

A university based website specializing in the social history of lace and lace making

https://laceincontext.com/

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on October 26, 2018 at 5:25pm

Thank you, Gabriele. Now we have a whole lot of examples of point ground lace which uses honeycomb or kat stitch ground. So it isn't all that rare.

And Gabriele, your little oval piece is beautiful. But I don't recognize the pattern or its source.

Comment by Gabriele Patzner on October 26, 2018 at 8:06am

Random Stuff:

Joan Blanchard, Malmesbury Lace

"Annie's Pattern", Malmesbury Fan and Honeycomb Ground

Karen Blum, Point Ground Patterns (I)

5, 6, 8, 9, 10

Karen Blum, Point Ground III, Honeycomb 26, 35, 

Elwyn Kenn, Point Ground Lace, Paris Point 78, Honeycomb 84

Elwyn Kenn, Lace, Honeycomb 12, 18,

Elwyn Kenn, Point Ground Patterns from Australia, Honeycomb 21,30, 34

Erdmuthe Wesenberg, Liebenauer Point de Lille, Honeycomb 69

Erdmuthe Wesenberg, Point de Lille-Spitzen aus dem Erzgebirge has plenty of patterns with large areas of Point of Paris and Honeycomb, sometimes paired with Point Ground.

Comment by Gabriele Patzner on October 26, 2018 at 4:42am

I can add from my books about Bayeux:

\uap>Potin/Nobecourt LA Dentelle de Bayeux

\uap>Honeycomb 34, 48, 58, 66

\uap>Nobecourt/Potin Bayeux Lace

\uap>Kat stitch 67

\uap>Raszewski/Bouvot BLONDES

\uap>Font Vitré 109, 111

\uap>Fouriscourt/Salvador La Dentelle de Bayeux

\uap>Font Vitré 43

\uap>Bouvot/Hervieux Symphonie en Dentelle (Polychromes de Courseulles)

\uap>Font Vitré 123

\uap>Font Vitré is explicitly mentioned as being used as ground as well as a filling for those french laces.

\uap>Among the pictures on this site: http://laceioli.ning.com/photo/malin?context=latest

\uap>On pinterest, no source identifiable:

\uap>https://www.pinterest.de/pin/422071796318914958/

\uap>http://defilsendentelles.over-blog.com/tag/dentelle%20bayeux/ - Bayeux Go and scroll, they make amazing lace there.

\uap>http://defilsendentelles.over-blog.com/2017/03/jambiere-pour-aller-... a lovely Polychrome

\uap>And I have this little beauty and would be glad if someone could point me to designer and maker: 1%20%2812%29.JPG

\uap>

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on October 25, 2018 at 6:36pm

Alson Asa Jansen, one of our members has posted several photos of Swedish laces. The group is mixed styles. But some may be relevant, particularly flower shapes.

http://laceioli.ning.com/photo/photo/search?q=Swedish

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on October 25, 2018 at 5:33pm

I am going through my books on Bucks point (I don't have any on Bayeux), looking for laces with honeycomb ground. Honeycomb used as a filling doesn't count. Only honeycomb used as the ground counts. Results. Numbers are page #s

Nottinham THE TECHNIQUE OF BUCKS POINT

honeycomb 132,76,        kat stitch 78

Cook INTRODUCTION TO BOBBIN LACE PATTERNS

honeycomb 49 ,24              kat st 83,31

Cook & Stott 100 TRADITIONAL BOBBIN LACE PATTERNS

honeycomb  10,16,39,50,                      kat st 66,96

Stott VISUAL INTRODUCTION TO BUCKS POINT LACE

honeycomb 32                         kat st 38,20

Meta Tonder 33 TONDERKNIPLINGER

73,94,95

Your suggestion that both pieces might be Swedish, well, that is quite possible. Your 8.47.9 in particular seems relevant.

Comment by Devon Thein on October 25, 2018 at 3:02pm

In desperation, I just went through all 905 pieces of bobbin lace in the Met collection claiming to be 1800-1900 looking for pieces with a honeycomb background. Interestingly, there were some that were Swedish, donated by the Society for Women's Work, Stockholm, 1908. The only other one I could find with a honeycomb background was from Northhamptonshire. I am attaching the photos. The one with accession number 08.180.36 is the Northhamptonshire one. 

\uap>A honeycomb background is actually quite unusual. Thoughts?

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on October 21, 2018 at 5:47pm

I meant to say also, I think you are right that your piece and mine are very similar. I also think you are right to suggest point ground, 19th c. Point ground laces don’t all have point ground. Some do use honeycomb ground throughout, and some use kat stitch (Paris ground).

The motif shapes suggest a date somewhat later than 1800, which should have (for continental laces) characteristics of what I have been calling “the Napoleonic period”. (My ignorance of art history and its periods is showing here.)

And I think your point about one pair entering at each pin, instead of 2 as we would find in continental laces, is very much to the point. However I would avoid the terms Brussels or Point d'Angleterre for your piece because those terms usually refer to part laces of the 18th c, not straight laces.

http://lynxlace.com/bobbinlacenapoleonic.html

Comment by Devon Thein on October 21, 2018 at 10:53am

Dear Lorelei,

\uap>I think that your piece is very similar to my piece. I also think that your piece has a honeycomb ground, like mine, not a Point de Paris ground. The honeycomb ground seems to be most frequently observed with point lace. Is there any reason why this would not be considered a point lace? The way the pairs go in and out is not a typical Flemish way which usually involves taking in two pairs and dropping the weaver.

\uap>Regarding Flemish part lace, Santina Levey likes the term Brussels bobbin lace, but I find myself gravitating to the term Point d'Angleterre simply because it is applied to  a very specific era and style and is so mysterious as to its origins that it is memorable.

\uap>Yes, it is very hard to come up with any real rules about naming things when they seem to depart from certain established memes. Unfortunately, it is often the case.

\uap>

 
 
 

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