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Identification-History

For discussions of lace history and lace identification.  You can post a photo into a comment box for a lace you want to discuss.  Bobblin lace history.  About historic lace. Kinds of lace.  Distinguish types of lace.

We can identify a piece of lace for you, but we need good detail.  At least one photo with this kind of detail is necessary.  Otherwise we are just guessing.  A shot of the whole thing is useful because that shows us the style.  Style gives us clues to date and possibly geographical origin.  But we need the detail shot to tell us how it was made.

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Examples + Resources

PHOTOS   

http://www.laceforstudy.org.uk/ 

Descriptions of several styles of lace - https://www.jeanleader.net/lacestyles/index.html

To compare needle lace, tatting and crochet, Kathleen Minniti's sampler.

My antique lace boards on Pinterest   

http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/bobbin-lace-antique/ 

http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/needle-lace-antique/ 

My collection of boards on Pinterest http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/ 

Jo Edkins lace collection online:  http://gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/lace/collection/index.htm

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 Bobbin lace    antiquebobbinlace     bobbinlace3     Needle lace    needlelace2 

Tatting     tatting2   tatting3      

Embroidery on tulle-needlerun      Embroidery on tulle-tambour        Carrickmacross  

Filet lace    filetlace2    filetlace3   filet lace4    Buratto 

Sol lace   sollace2   sol lace3

Knitted lace    knittedlace2     Crochet lace        Irish crochet lace      IrishCrochet2      

Chemical lace   ChemicalLace2  chemical lace3     chemical lace4     

See this for a technical explanation of the chemical lace process.

Barmen machine lace        Raschel machine lace     Leavers machine

machine1 (not sure what machine)   

I don't know how this machine relates to the Barmen or Rascheel (or other machine)

Bobbin tape lace  bobbin tape lace 2   

Mixed tape lace-machinetape      Romanian needlepoint lace  

For recognizing Swedish bobbin lace:  http://elsapetersonsspetsaffar.com/

RESOURCES TO START LEARNING HOW TO IDENTIFY LACE

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/online-resources 

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/6475898:Page:1417 

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/specific-pages-in-lynxlace 

IOLI.ORG'S RESOURCES

THE KOON COLLECTION

The Koon collection CD is a collection of images from the Eunice Sein Koon
Collection of Lace donated to IOLI by Ms. Koon. Ms. Koon was the editor of
Lace Craft Quarterly and a collector of lace.  It is not related to the
Minnesota collection to the best of my knowledge.  The CD is a series of
Powerpoint slides organized as the collection pieces are numbered.  There
are approximately 100 pieces of various types of lace in the Koon
collection.  Pictures from the CD could be copied and pasted into another
Powerpoint presentation, or the images could be used to request pieces of
lace from the collection for study by IOLI members.  Policy for use of this
lace is described on p. 58 of the IOLI Member Handbook. -- Jo Ann Eurell

LACE STUDY BOX

The IOLI - Internation Organization of Lace, Inc. has a study box of lace fragments that members can borrow.  

(I am searching for a link)

IOLI also has a lending library for members' use

http://www.internationalorganizationoflace.org/library1.html

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/international-organization-of-lace-inc/page/ioli-advanced-study-of-lace

A site with good photos of high quality antique laces: http://www.mendes.co.uk/antique.bobbin.lace.p.two.html ;

Discussion Forum

Point ground

This is part of a collar from around 1890-1910. It is made in Sweden. I wonder if someone recognises the pattern or figures in the pattern. It is from Vadstena, but I suspect it is influenced from…Continue

Started by Karin Landtblom Jul 4.

One more from Selma Giöbel

This one is designed by the same woman, Selma Giöbel, that I wrote about in previous discussion.THe same question here, has anyone seen something similar to this? Could it origin from France?//Karin…Continue

Started by Karin Landtblom Jul 4.

Dragonfly

This lace is from Sweden and (maybe) designed by Selma Giöbel, however she did import laces from France. My question is if anyone have seen something similar, and in that case if one can trace the…Continue

Started by Karin Landtblom Jul 4.

Once Again on Chantilly Hand vs Machine made 5 Replies

Hello, Ages ago we had a discussion on distinguishing handmade vs machinemade Chantilly lace. I found it very helpful but now have a couple of pieces that I'm again not sure about. These 2 lace…Continue

Started by deborah greenfield. Last reply by Lorelei Halley Administrator Jun 2.

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Comment by Carolina de la Guardia on June 25, 2018 at 10:24am

Thank you Devon for posting these interesting pieces of Milanese lace.

It is amazing that it seems that some lacemakers have always felt the need to innovate and create new lace possibilities. I suppose this is what leads to evolution.

In my recent visit to United States,  besides being in N.Y. I also stayed for a week in San Francisco and I had the opportunity to visit the Lacis Museum. Talking with Mr. Jules Kliot, one of subjects was that of the origin of bobbin lace. While he argued about the importance of the industrialization of pins in the expansion of bobbin lace, I maintained that the imitation of needlelace with bobbins was the success of bobbin lace, as an easier and quickly way to executate the laces.

By the way, Very interesting the exhibition ‘The fringe shawls’

Comment by Devon Thein on June 25, 2018 at 9:14am

Nancy- All three of them are all bobbin lace, with the exception of a mend on one of them. I posted the second one because Carolina had commented that she had not seen Milanese with a coarse edge thread before. It seems to me that there was a conscious attempt in these three pieces to make Milanese that looked like Mezzo Punto. I am posting a photo of an actual piece of Mezzo Punto here. They frequently stitched around the edge of the premade tape to make it look raised. 

Comment by Laura Sandison on June 22, 2018 at 10:19am

Yes, it does appear to be the half reef knot! What an interesting combination.

Comment by Nancy A. Neff on June 22, 2018 at 7:34am

It looks to me like all the fillings in the second one are bobbin lace. If you want to post closeups of each that you thought might be needlelace, I'll give the stitch sequence that would produce that filling.

Comment by Nancy A. Neff on June 22, 2018 at 7:30am

Carolina is right:  twist twice the two pairs coming in, do a half-reef knot with the inside bobbins of each pair, then twist twice with the outside pairs. The only thing I disagree with is that I think there are two twists in the vertical outside pairs between the horizontal bars formed by the half-reef knot, but in many instances it's rather hard to tell--it looks to me like the lace has been washed, and perhaps ironed.

Comment by Carolina de la Guardia on June 20, 2018 at 7:34pm

Lorelei I am not speaking of half stitch but a half knot or maybe you call it a half reef knot. This is what it is curious and different. As Devon says probably to imitate needlelace.

The two inners bobbins (threads) are half knotted, then one twist with the outer bobbin at each side. The stitch is the result of repeating three times these moves.

It can be put a pin in the middle between every step, to get the hole more visible but it is not absolutely necessary.

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on June 20, 2018 at 4:46pm

I think that what Carolina is suggesting is a pinchain (used in Bucks). You do a stack of half stitches, with an extra twist between each cross. ctt ctt ctt  But your photo doesn't look like that. I will try to find an example.

Comment by Carolina de la Guardia on June 19, 2018 at 1:54pm

Devon, I stayed in N.Y. for three days and just wanted to say hello.

And yes, I wanted to mean “clasify”.

This is what I think about the filling...

Two pairs: Half knot with the inner threads, one twist every pair. This repeated three times. I like the result, I shall try to use it in some next design.

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on June 19, 2018 at 1:36pm

Your 1st piece today does look like Milanese. The double braids are the feature that suggests this, according to Santina Levey. And the fillings in this one are definitely bobbin lace. The plain looking fillings appear to be something like Mechlin or droschel ground. And of course, some have tallies instead of the stack of half stitches.

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on June 19, 2018 at 1:30pm

The 2nd one you posted today (with several photos) -- the fillings inside the tape look like corded twisted buttonhole stitch, in groups of 3. I see nothing which suggests a bobbin lace filling. Also, I don't see anything that definitively makes it Milanese. I find it very hard to distinguish Milanese and Flemish tape laces. 

 
 
 

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