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Identification-History

For discussions of lace history and lace identification.  You can post a photo into a comment box for a lace you want to discuss.  Bobblin lace history.  About historic lace. Kinds of lace.  Distinguish types of lace.

We can identify a piece of lace for you, but we need good detail.  At least one photo with this kind of detail is necessary.  Otherwise we are just guessing.  A shot of the whole thing is useful because that shows us the style.  Style gives us clues to date and possibly geographical origin.  But we need the detail shot to tell us how it was made.

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Examples + Resources

PHOTOS   

http://www.laceforstudy.org.uk/ 

Descriptions of several styles of lace - https://www.jeanleader.net/lacestyles/index.html

To compare needle lace, tatting and crochet, Kathleen Minniti's sampler.

My antique lace boards on Pinterest   

http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/bobbin-lace-antique/ 

http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/needle-lace-antique/ 

My collection of boards on Pinterest http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/ 

Jo Edkins lace collection online:  http://gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/lace/collection/index.htm

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 Bobbin lace    antiquebobbinlace     bobbinlace3     Needle lace    needlelace2 

Tatting     tatting2   tatting3      

Embroidery on tulle-needlerun      Embroidery on tulle-tambour        Carrickmacross  

Filet lace    filetlace2    filetlace3   filet lace4    Buratto 

Sol lace   sollace2   sol lace3

Knitted lace    knittedlace2     Crochet lace        Irish crochet lace      IrishCrochet2      

Chemical lace   ChemicalLace2  chemical lace3     chemical lace4     

See this for a technical explanation of the chemical lace process.

Barmen machine lace        Raschel machine lace     Leavers machine

machine1 (not sure what machine)   

I don't know how this machine relates to the Barmen or Rascheel (or other machine)

Bobbin tape lace  bobbin tape lace 2   

Mixed tape lace-machinetape      Romanian needlepoint lace  

For recognizing Swedish bobbin lace:  http://elsapetersonsspetsaffar.com/

RESOURCES TO START LEARNING HOW TO IDENTIFY LACE

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/online-resources 

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/6475898:Page:1417 

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/specific-pages-in-lynxlace 

IOLI.ORG'S RESOURCES

THE KOON COLLECTION

The Koon collection CD is a collection of images from the Eunice Sein Koon
Collection of Lace donated to IOLI by Ms. Koon. Ms. Koon was the editor of
Lace Craft Quarterly and a collector of lace.  It is not related to the
Minnesota collection to the best of my knowledge.  The CD is a series of
Powerpoint slides organized as the collection pieces are numbered.  There
are approximately 100 pieces of various types of lace in the Koon
collection.  Pictures from the CD could be copied and pasted into another
Powerpoint presentation, or the images could be used to request pieces of
lace from the collection for study by IOLI members.  Policy for use of this
lace is described on p. 58 of the IOLI Member Handbook. -- Jo Ann Eurell

LACE STUDY BOX

The IOLI - Internation Organization of Lace, Inc. has a study box of lace fragments that members can borrow.  

(I am searching for a link)

IOLI also has a lending library for members' use

http://www.internationalorganizationoflace.org/library1.html

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/international-organization-of-lace-inc/page/ioli-advanced-study-of-lace

A site with good photos of high quality antique laces: http://www.mendes.co.uk/antique.bobbin.lace.p.two.html ;

Discussion Forum

Point ground

This is part of a collar from around 1890-1910. It is made in Sweden. I wonder if someone recognises the pattern or figures in the pattern. It is from Vadstena, but I suspect it is influenced from…Continue

Started by Karin Landtblom Jul 4.

One more from Selma Giöbel

This one is designed by the same woman, Selma Giöbel, that I wrote about in previous discussion.THe same question here, has anyone seen something similar to this? Could it origin from France?//Karin…Continue

Started by Karin Landtblom Jul 4.

Dragonfly

This lace is from Sweden and (maybe) designed by Selma Giöbel, however she did import laces from France. My question is if anyone have seen something similar, and in that case if one can trace the…Continue

Started by Karin Landtblom Jul 4.

Once Again on Chantilly Hand vs Machine made 5 Replies

Hello, Ages ago we had a discussion on distinguishing handmade vs machinemade Chantilly lace. I found it very helpful but now have a couple of pieces that I'm again not sure about. These 2 lace…Continue

Started by deborah greenfield. Last reply by Lorelei Halley Administrator Jun 2.

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Comment by Jo Edkins on March 5, 2018 at 6:10pm

Could it be

Fashion: A History from the 18th to the 20th Century (Taschen, No. 25) (Midi S.) (2 Volumes)

https://www.amazon.com/Fashion-History-Century-Taschen-Volumes/dp/3...

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on March 5, 2018 at 5:15pm

I have a question. There is a multi-volume book about fashion history that I have heard referred to. But I cannot remember the author and title. Does anybody know the details?

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on February 8, 2018 at 4:50pm

This might be interesting to lace historians as a way to anchor thinking about lace shapes and time.

https://scontent-ort2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/27752038_547187495653...

Comment by Karen Spencer on February 8, 2018 at 9:59am

Nancy & the other ladies-

Thank you for the travel info.  And thank you ladies for all of your help with trying to identify this lace pattern.  I am going to try to putter with a "combination" of macrame and needle lace (Armenian) and see if I can work something up that looks like it.  I believe at this point this is my best option.  For all we know...the person that made this lace border just did it off the top of her head by combining methods also.  This may be why this pattern is so hard to find.  I'll keep you posted on how it went .... thank you all again.

-Karen Spencer

Comment by Nancy A. Neff on February 7, 2018 at 4:29pm

Goldenberg 1904 says that "W. Felkin, in his history of lace manufacture, says that lace net was first made by machinery in 1768. Other authorities place the date as between 1758 and 1760." But you are right, Lorelei, that it's not early 1700s, and I don't know how authoritative his references are. 

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on February 7, 2018 at 3:57pm

Karen

About the date for machine made lace -- definitely not the early 1700s. The machine was invented in the 1780s for making clear net, but it was mostly experimental. It wasn't until the 1820s or 1830s that it became a serious factor.

Lorelei

Comment by Nancy A. Neff on February 7, 2018 at 2:53pm

Karen, This is off-topic but your question for Maija is an important one. Look at the travel advisories from the US State Department: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/travela....  Your daughter should also sign up for their STEP program, to get advisories sent to her for specific countries, both before her trips and while she's overseas. A link to STEP is on the page at the above URL. HTH.

Comment by Karen Spencer on February 6, 2018 at 8:53pm

Maija-

     Thank you....that is a relief.  I know there was machine made lace in the early 1700's....so when you said that at first....I thought perhaps you were correct.  Glad you said "hand made" lace now....that is a relief.  Now I just have to figure out how to do it !!  Chuckling.  I am repairing the torn parts on my friends tablecloth.  Or I should say....I offered to.  But I don't know if I can figure this out.  Others have said it's not bobbin lace, not tatting, possibly macrame.  So I will probably try macrame.  Macrame would explain how it would be "2 threaded" like it is...and macrame started as early as the 1300's.  I noticed you live in Finland.  My daughter has been traveling to Europe for 3 years now....humor me....but is Finland safe with all that is going on?  She hasn't said she'd go there yet....but she may.  I suppose it's as safe as anywhere else.  She has been to Italy, France, Belgium and Portugal so far.  I bet it's pretty there.  Thank you for your help identifying this lace.

-Karen

Comment by Maija Aatelo on February 6, 2018 at 12:14pm

Hi Karen,

Sorry for my wretched English!

I did not mean machine-made lace, but hand-made lace made separately and then fixed to the edge of the cloth. The blue tassels and flowers are surely hand-made, as well as the lace itself as well.

Best wishes

Maija

Comment by Karen Spencer on February 6, 2018 at 9:21am

Hi Maija-

     Thank you for helping identify this lace.  Have you seen the other 2 pics I have sent previously showing the blue yarn flowers and tassels?  Is it possible for a machine back then to do that work also (?) .... I don't know....just asking as that part stumps me thinking this was ready-made lace.  I am also stumped thinking I could macrame this as macrame has to start with the threads being attached to a stick or ring, or something of that nature........perhaps I could slide the work off after finished (that's if I have success at making it) and attach that area to the tablecloth at that point.  Just guessing.  I have attached the original 2 pictures to this comment to make sure you saw the embroidery I am questioning.  

Thank you again,

Karen Spencer0125181524_resized%202.jpg

 
 
 

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