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Identification-History

For discussions of lace history and lace identification.  You can post a photo into a comment box for a lace you want to discuss.  Bobblin lace history.  About historic lace. Kinds of lace.  Distinguish types of lace.

We can identify a piece of lace for you, but we need good detail.  At least one photo with this kind of detail is necessary.  Otherwise we are just guessing.  A shot of the whole thing is useful because that shows us the style.  Style gives us clues to date and possibly geographical origin.  But we need the detail shot to tell us how it was made.

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Examples + Resources

PHOTOS   

http://www.laceforstudy.org.uk/ 

Descriptions of several styles of lace - https://www.jeanleader.net/lacestyles/index.html

To compare needle lace, tatting and crochet, Kathleen Minniti's sampler.

My antique lace boards on Pinterest   

http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/bobbin-lace-antique/ 

http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/needle-lace-antique/ 

My collection of boards on Pinterest http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/ 

Jo Edkins lace collection online:  http://gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/lace/collection/index.htm

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 Bobbin lace    antiquebobbinlace     bobbinlace3     Needle lace    needlelace2 

Tatting     tatting2   tatting3      

Embroidery on tulle-needlerun      Embroidery on tulle-tambour        Carrickmacross  

Filet lace    filetlace2    filetlace3   filet lace4    Buratto 

Sol lace   sollace2   sol lace3

Knitted lace    knittedlace2     Crochet lace        Irish crochet lace      IrishCrochet2      

Chemical lace   ChemicalLace2  chemical lace3     chemical lace4     

See this for a technical explanation of the chemical lace process.

Barmen machine lace        Raschel machine lace     Leavers machine

machine1 (not sure what machine)   

I don't know how this machine relates to the Barmen or Rascheel (or other machine)

Bobbin tape lace  bobbin tape lace 2   

Mixed tape lace-machinetape      Romanian needlepoint lace  

For recognizing Swedish bobbin lace:  http://elsapetersonsspetsaffar.com/

RESOURCES TO START LEARNING HOW TO IDENTIFY LACE

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/online-resources 

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/6475898:Page:1417 

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/specific-pages-in-lynxlace 

IOLI.ORG'S RESOURCES

THE KOON COLLECTION

The Koon collection CD is a collection of images from the Eunice Sein Koon
Collection of Lace donated to IOLI by Ms. Koon. Ms. Koon was the editor of
Lace Craft Quarterly and a collector of lace.  It is not related to the
Minnesota collection to the best of my knowledge.  The CD is a series of
Powerpoint slides organized as the collection pieces are numbered.  There
are approximately 100 pieces of various types of lace in the Koon
collection.  Pictures from the CD could be copied and pasted into another
Powerpoint presentation, or the images could be used to request pieces of
lace from the collection for study by IOLI members.  Policy for use of this
lace is described on p. 58 of the IOLI Member Handbook. -- Jo Ann Eurell

LACE STUDY BOX

The IOLI - Internation Organization of Lace, Inc. has a study box of lace fragments that members can borrow.  

(I am searching for a link)

IOLI also has a lending library for members' use

http://www.internationalorganizationoflace.org/library1.html

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/international-organization-of-lace-inc/page/ioli-advanced-study-of-lace

A site with good photos of high quality antique laces: http://www.mendes.co.uk/antique.bobbin.lace.p.two.html ;

Discussion Forum

Point ground

This is part of a collar from around 1890-1910. It is made in Sweden. I wonder if someone recognises the pattern or figures in the pattern. It is from Vadstena, but I suspect it is influenced from…Continue

Started by Karin Landtblom Jul 4.

One more from Selma Giöbel

This one is designed by the same woman, Selma Giöbel, that I wrote about in previous discussion.THe same question here, has anyone seen something similar to this? Could it origin from France?//Karin…Continue

Started by Karin Landtblom Jul 4.

Dragonfly

This lace is from Sweden and (maybe) designed by Selma Giöbel, however she did import laces from France. My question is if anyone have seen something similar, and in that case if one can trace the…Continue

Started by Karin Landtblom Jul 4.

Once Again on Chantilly Hand vs Machine made 5 Replies

Hello, Ages ago we had a discussion on distinguishing handmade vs machinemade Chantilly lace. I found it very helpful but now have a couple of pieces that I'm again not sure about. These 2 lace…Continue

Started by deborah greenfield. Last reply by Lorelei Halley Administrator Jun 2.

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Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on July 23, 2017 at 5:26pm

I agree with Loretta. I do think it is handmade needlelace, but very unusual. The long branches appear to be a base of 5 vertical threads, woven under and over, row after row. A similar idea occurs in needle lace reticella, where the lace maker tries to suggest vertical and horizontal lines of woven cloth underneath (when there is no woven cloth at all.) So instead of the usual 4 base threads, this uses 5. I did see some elements that look like very short cucumber tallies, but it is possible to do that with a needle, instead of bobbins.

Red is 5 thread base, woven.    Green is bit which look like tallies.  Blue is a bar wrapped instead of buttonholed.

Lorelei

Comment by Karen Thompson on July 23, 2017 at 6:25am

Lovely blouse with machine made lace.

Comment by Paula Harten on July 23, 2017 at 12:27am

I think this beautiful work is woven.  Notice there are places where it is coming apart.  There are vertical threads and then single threads woven back and forth, not two at a time like bobbin lace.  Definitely not buttonhole stitches.  It is a type of woven braid with twisted and knotted connecting threads.

Comment by Loretta Holzberger on July 22, 2017 at 8:42pm

Definitely looks like hand made needle lace.  What a lovely dress!

Comment by Maija Aatelo on July 22, 2017 at 7:09pm

Gorgeous dress and lace! I'd say there may be hand made needle lace parts, partly it looks more like bobbin lace. But some details make me doubt whether it could anyhow be (partly) machine made. Can you add some more pictures to recheck, please.

Comment by Georgia Seitz on July 22, 2017 at 6:27pm

Sorry, no info here, but it is lovely.

Comment by Barbara Vanselow on July 22, 2017 at 4:57pm

I have Pictures of lace on a Worth Designed Dress French) from the turn of the century. The Blouse is silk velvet and I am wondering if anyone can give me any information about the lace on it.output%20%283%29.jpg,

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Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on June 30, 2017 at 7:30pm

I agree with Karen. If you look closely at the dense parts you can see vertical striping that runs parallel to the direction of working. Bobbin lace cloth stitch would have the passives and workers showing equal prominence. Also the thick thread surrounding the motifs is too prominent: it rises too far above the surface of the lace. This suggests it was run in by hand after the lace was made. Also look closely to how far apart the lace threads are that hold the gimp in place. In handmade bobbin lace the lace threads would cross over the gimp at every row. So the evidence suggests machine lace with a hand run-in gimp.

The dense parts don't look anything like close worked buttonhole stitches.

Lorelei

Comment by Barbara Vanselow on June 28, 2017 at 9:38pm

Thank you so much for your comments. 

Comment by Karen Thompson on June 28, 2017 at 7:56pm

This is a nice machine made lace imitating Blonde bobbin lace

 
 
 

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