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Identification-History

For discussions of lace history and lace identification.  You can post a photo into a comment box for a lace you want to discuss.  Bobblin lace history.  About historic lace. Kinds of lace.  Distinguish types of lace.

We can identify a piece of lace for you, but we need good detail.  At least one photo with this kind of detail is necessary.  Otherwise we are just guessing.  A shot of the whole thing is useful because that shows us the style.  Style gives us clues to date and possibly geographical origin.  But we need the detail shot to tell us how it was made.

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Examples + Resources

PHOTOS   

http://www.laceforstudy.org.uk/ 

Descriptions of several styles of lace - https://www.jeanleader.net/lacestyles/index.html

To compare needle lace, tatting and crochet, Kathleen Minniti's sampler.

My antique lace boards on Pinterest   

http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/bobbin-lace-antique/ 

http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/needle-lace-antique/ 

My collection of boards on Pinterest http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/ 

Jo Edkins lace collection online:  http://gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/lace/collection/index.htm

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 Bobbin lace    antiquebobbinlace     bobbinlace3     Needle lace    needlelace2 

Tatting     tatting2   tatting3      

Embroidery on tulle-needlerun      Embroidery on tulle-tambour        Carrickmacross  

Filet lace    filetlace2    filetlace3   filet lace4    Buratto 

Sol lace   sollace2   sol lace3

Knitted lace    knittedlace2     Crochet lace        Irish crochet lace      IrishCrochet2      

Chemical lace   ChemicalLace2  chemical lace3     chemical lace4     

See this for a technical explanation of the chemical lace process.

Barmen machine lace        Raschel machine lace     Leavers machine

machine1 (not sure what machine)   

I don't know how this machine relates to the Barmen or Rascheel (or other machine)

Bobbin tape lace  bobbin tape lace 2   

Mixed tape lace-machinetape      Romanian needlepoint lace  

For recognizing Swedish bobbin lace:  http://elsapetersonsspetsaffar.com/

RESOURCES TO START LEARNING HOW TO IDENTIFY LACE

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/online-resources 

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/6475898:Page:1417 

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/specific-pages-in-lynxlace 

IOLI.ORG'S RESOURCES

THE KOON COLLECTION

The Koon collection CD is a collection of images from the Eunice Sein Koon
Collection of Lace donated to IOLI by Ms. Koon. Ms. Koon was the editor of
Lace Craft Quarterly and a collector of lace.  It is not related to the
Minnesota collection to the best of my knowledge.  The CD is a series of
Powerpoint slides organized as the collection pieces are numbered.  There
are approximately 100 pieces of various types of lace in the Koon
collection.  Pictures from the CD could be copied and pasted into another
Powerpoint presentation, or the images could be used to request pieces of
lace from the collection for study by IOLI members.  Policy for use of this
lace is described on p. 58 of the IOLI Member Handbook. -- Jo Ann Eurell

LACE STUDY BOX

The IOLI - Internation Organization of Lace, Inc. has a study box of lace fragments that members can borrow.  

(I am searching for a link)

IOLI also has a lending library for members' use

http://www.internationalorganizationoflace.org/library1.html

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/international-organization-of-lace-inc/page/ioli-advanced-study-of-lace

A site with good photos of high quality antique laces: http://www.mendes.co.uk/antique.bobbin.lace.p.two.html ;

Discussion Forum

Point ground

This is part of a collar from around 1890-1910. It is made in Sweden. I wonder if someone recognises the pattern or figures in the pattern. It is from Vadstena, but I suspect it is influenced from…Continue

Started by Karin Landtblom Jul 4.

One more from Selma Giöbel

This one is designed by the same woman, Selma Giöbel, that I wrote about in previous discussion.THe same question here, has anyone seen something similar to this? Could it origin from France?//Karin…Continue

Started by Karin Landtblom Jul 4.

Dragonfly

This lace is from Sweden and (maybe) designed by Selma Giöbel, however she did import laces from France. My question is if anyone have seen something similar, and in that case if one can trace the…Continue

Started by Karin Landtblom Jul 4.

Once Again on Chantilly Hand vs Machine made 5 Replies

Hello, Ages ago we had a discussion on distinguishing handmade vs machinemade Chantilly lace. I found it very helpful but now have a couple of pieces that I'm again not sure about. These 2 lace…Continue

Started by deborah greenfield. Last reply by Lorelei Halley Administrator Jun 2.

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Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on January 9, 2017 at 9:40pm

I am at a loss.  It is NOT bobbin lace, NOT needlelace, NOT a sol lace, NOT filet lacis, NOT tatting. That leaves crochet as a possible, only because it is the last one standing.  There is a style of crochet called "Bruges crochet" and it imitates tape lace. That tape-like element in the design might be "Bruges crochet".

Comment by Georgia Seitz on January 9, 2017 at 4:06pm

Carolyn Groves has asked for help in determining the method used to create this collar. I do not know. Any help most appreciated.

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on January 2, 2017 at 9:41pm

Janice

You posted your photos to our PHOTOS section, which is exactly the correct place. Those photos can be searched, so others can find them easily in the future. I added comments to your photos, describing the pieces. You will have to look at both the photo of the whole object, and the detail photos, because I wasn't consistent about which one I attached the comments to.

Once the photos are in our PHOTOS section, you can then reference them while posting a question here in the IDENTIFICATION-HISTORY group.

Please review my NOTE called "Photos". It will explain various kinds of ways of handling photos.

http://laceioli.ning.com/notes/PHOTOS 

Comment by janice torcyzner on January 2, 2017 at 8:51pm
I am confused about how to post my images so I know you are specifically commenting on them particularly.
I see your comments with regard to other laces and get confused if you are discussing my images or someone else's .
Comment by Barbara Vanselow on January 2, 2017 at 8:42pm

Thank you so very much.

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on January 2, 2017 at 7:44pm
Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on January 2, 2017 at 7:43pm

The 2nd piece, the one with the little dense rings, is a bobbin made Duchesse lace. Some call it Brussels Duchesse when it has needle lace elements, as this one does.       piece Z

I think we are looking at the back side of the lace.

The pink lines show where there is raised work, a sort of relief which should show on the right side of the lace.

The green rings circle areas of ground, but I think the ground is actually needle lace, a twisted buttonhole stitch.

The orange rings surround the "pops", needle made elements used as a decoration in some needle laces.

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on January 2, 2017 at 7:30pm

To complicate things further, during the 1700s laces were made in that general geographic areas -- Flanders -- with many different grounds. This next links shows more of these.

https://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/flanders-and-old-mechlin-bob... 

https://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/mechlin/ 

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on January 2, 2017 at 7:27pm

Barbara    piece X

The first one you posted, the one made of 2 edgings sewn together, is Mechlin bobbin lace. Possibly as old as the late 1700s, or possibly early 1800s, or possibly circa 1900. Dating this kind of lace is difficult because it was superseded by point ground laces during most of the 1800s, especially past 1800. there was a revival circa 1900 when these laces briefly reappeared. I haven't been able to see any clear way of distinguishing the different periods. But the complexity of the design does suggest the earlier dates. During the 19th century bobbin lace design was continuously simplifying, in an effort to make lace faster and complete with machine lace prices.

Mechlin is a straight lace, meaning that a bunch of bobbins are hung on at the beginning and the whole lace is made with those same bobbins, without adding or removing threads. The motifs are typically surrounded by a thick thread, called gimp. The ground is Mechlin ground. Here is an example of a Mechlin lace, with Mechlin ground, dating from the c. 1900 revival (from my website)

Comment by Barbara Vanselow on January 2, 2017 at 1:40pm

 
 
 

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