This is my first post in this group, something I'd love to find out about what type of lace this is.  It appears to be a design possibly hand woven onto a very fine filet net, or it could possibly be machine woven or even a bobbin lace if that's possible.

It is a very very fine piece of lace, the net being very light, almost like a hat net and hair thin.  I'm assuming it's cotton and not silk as there doesn't appear to have a sheen to it.

I've got nearly 18 yards of it (in 3 pieces), so if that is any clue, I don't know.

Thanks for any clues anyone can offer !

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Wow, that's a bit of sleuthing you did there Jo!

This is getting interesting, but once we know, we know!

Wow! Brilliant! Isn't the web wonderful!

By the way, I think the actual knotting process starts about 2 mins in (maybe 2:10). The first 2 mins is all about prewinding and twisting the thread. Then, about 2:10 in, they show the knotting process. Then a demonstration of doing it by hand. Then the machine process again. All sub-titled in, I think, Arabic.

The Toyo machine does appear to be making knotted netting!! I may have to change my thinking on this issue.

I have created a PAGE on the IDENTIFICATION-HISTORY group which contains photos and links for these various nets, so we can find it in the future, easily.

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/netting-... 

To find it in the future look at the opening page of that group. The 2nd column starts with avatars of the members. Below the members is a list of the pages attached to that group. Look for the NETTING-VARIOUS KINDS page.

Here's another tidbit....

I did a search for "Russian veiling" and this site below popped up which sells vintage silk veiling.  They mention that the old veiling was made out of silk and  was starched to shape it for the hats.  Perhaps the fiber content of mine is unstarched silk since it is quite old and very fine.  I better go check it again, especially the embroidery on it to double-check that it doesn't have a slight sheen which would indicate all silk! 

https://rosemille.com/collections/vintage-silk-netting-veiling/prod...

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