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Comment by Carolina de la Guardia 11 hours ago

Lorelei I am not speaking of half stitch but a half knot or maybe you call it a half reef knot. This is what it is curious and different. As Devon says probably to imitate needlelace.

The two inners bobbins (threads) are half knotted, then one twist with the outer bobbin at each side. The stitch is the result of repeating three times these moves.

It can be put a pin in the middle between every step, to get the hole more visible but it is not absolutely necessary.

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator 14 hours ago

I think that what Carolina is suggesting is a pinchain (used in Bucks). You do a stack of half stitches, with an extra twist between each cross. ctt ctt ctt  But your photo doesn't look like that. I will try to find an example.

Comment by Carolina de la Guardia yesterday

Devon, I stayed in N.Y. for three days and just wanted to say hello.

And yes, I wanted to mean “clasify”.

This is what I think about the filling...

Two pairs: Half knot with the inner threads, one twist every pair. This repeated three times. I like the result, I shall try to use it in some next design.

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator yesterday

Your 1st piece today does look like Milanese. The double braids are the feature that suggests this, according to Santina Levey. And the fillings in this one are definitely bobbin lace. The plain looking fillings appear to be something like Mechlin or droschel ground. And of course, some have tallies instead of the stack of half stitches.

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator yesterday

The 2nd one you posted today (with several photos) -- the fillings inside the tape look like corded twisted buttonhole stitch, in groups of 3. I see nothing which suggests a bobbin lace filling. Also, I don't see anything that definitively makes it Milanese. I find it very hard to distinguish Milanese and Flemish tape laces. 

Comment by Laura Sandison yesterday

My thought is bobbin lace for sure. The tape is worked as a cloth tape, but with an interesting compensation at the inner curves. Rather than dropping one pair at a time, there are several that are picked up when the tape comes around. Inner fillings are a curiosity! But appear to come from pairs within the tape. It does seem that the joins are added later. Perhaps after the tape is filled, they are added, as a pair, and taken around to join the motives. There are so many ends that this seems reasonable.  What interesting pieces!  The one yesterday I feel the same about. Perhaps those heavy, twisted outline pair are to represent the padding on gros point?

Comment by Devon Thein yesterday

Here is another one, where the appearance of needle lace is done even better! 

I think it is really bobbin lace, though. But I can't figure out how they do it. I can see two pairs coming in. Somehow, one of each pair interact, But it isn't a simple cross. Is it a more elaborate interaction where you hold the bobbins in your hand and cross them several times like tying a bow? Then the pairs resume, twist, perhaps twice. Then they do the elaborate interaction between one bobbin of each pair. Then they resume, twist. Then the elaborate interaction. I can't really figure it out. But I don't think it is needle lace. Can anyone else figure it out? Maybe they have seen this before? 

Comment by Devon Thein yesterday

Carolina,

Sorry I missed you the other day. 

Here is another one with a coarse thread. When you say "sort" do you mean classify? It seems to be Milanese trying to look like Mezzo Punto.

Comment by Carolina de la Guardia on Tuesday

Devon, how do you sort out this 17nth. century piece? 

It seems to me a continuous braid Milanese lace but I had never seen before the thick thread worked at the edges of the braid....

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on Monday

Devon - I think you are right.

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