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Comment by Carolina de la Guardia on June 25, 2018 at 10:24am

Thank you Devon for posting these interesting pieces of Milanese lace.

It is amazing that it seems that some lacemakers have always felt the need to innovate and create new lace possibilities. I suppose this is what leads to evolution.

In my recent visit to United States,  besides being in N.Y. I also stayed for a week in San Francisco and I had the opportunity to visit the Lacis Museum. Talking with Mr. Jules Kliot, one of subjects was that of the origin of bobbin lace. While he argued about the importance of the industrialization of pins in the expansion of bobbin lace, I maintained that the imitation of needlelace with bobbins was the success of bobbin lace, as an easier and quickly way to executate the laces.

By the way, Very interesting the exhibition ‘The fringe shawls’

Comment by Devon Thein on June 25, 2018 at 9:14am

Nancy- All three of them are all bobbin lace, with the exception of a mend on one of them. I posted the second one because Carolina had commented that she had not seen Milanese with a coarse edge thread before. It seems to me that there was a conscious attempt in these three pieces to make Milanese that looked like Mezzo Punto. I am posting a photo of an actual piece of Mezzo Punto here. They frequently stitched around the edge of the premade tape to make it look raised. 

Comment by Laura Sandison on June 22, 2018 at 10:19am

Yes, it does appear to be the half reef knot! What an interesting combination.

Comment by Nancy A. Neff on June 22, 2018 at 7:34am

It looks to me like all the fillings in the second one are bobbin lace. If you want to post closeups of each that you thought might be needlelace, I'll give the stitch sequence that would produce that filling.

Comment by Nancy A. Neff on June 22, 2018 at 7:30am

Carolina is right:  twist twice the two pairs coming in, do a half-reef knot with the inside bobbins of each pair, then twist twice with the outside pairs. The only thing I disagree with is that I think there are two twists in the vertical outside pairs between the horizontal bars formed by the half-reef knot, but in many instances it's rather hard to tell--it looks to me like the lace has been washed, and perhaps ironed.

Comment by Carolina de la Guardia on June 20, 2018 at 7:34pm

Lorelei I am not speaking of half stitch but a half knot or maybe you call it a half reef knot. This is what it is curious and different. As Devon says probably to imitate needlelace.

The two inners bobbins (threads) are half knotted, then one twist with the outer bobbin at each side. The stitch is the result of repeating three times these moves.

It can be put a pin in the middle between every step, to get the hole more visible but it is not absolutely necessary.

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on June 20, 2018 at 4:46pm

I think that what Carolina is suggesting is a pinchain (used in Bucks). You do a stack of half stitches, with an extra twist between each cross. ctt ctt ctt  But your photo doesn't look like that. I will try to find an example.

Comment by Carolina de la Guardia on June 19, 2018 at 1:54pm

Devon, I stayed in N.Y. for three days and just wanted to say hello.

And yes, I wanted to mean “clasify”.

This is what I think about the filling...

Two pairs: Half knot with the inner threads, one twist every pair. This repeated three times. I like the result, I shall try to use it in some next design.

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on June 19, 2018 at 1:36pm

Your 1st piece today does look like Milanese. The double braids are the feature that suggests this, according to Santina Levey. And the fillings in this one are definitely bobbin lace. The plain looking fillings appear to be something like Mechlin or droschel ground. And of course, some have tallies instead of the stack of half stitches.

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on June 19, 2018 at 1:30pm

The 2nd one you posted today (with several photos) -- the fillings inside the tape look like corded twisted buttonhole stitch, in groups of 3. I see nothing which suggests a bobbin lace filling. Also, I don't see anything that definitively makes it Milanese. I find it very hard to distinguish Milanese and Flemish tape laces. 

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