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Identification-History

Information

For discussions of lace history and lace identification. You can post a photo into a comment box for a lace you want to discuss. Bobblin lace history. About historic lace. Kinds of lace. Distinguish types of lace.

We can identify a piece of lace for you, but we need good detail. At least one photo with this kind of detail is necessary. Otherwise we are just guessing. A shot of the whole thing is useful because that shows us the style. Style gives us clues to date and possibly geographical origin. But we need the detail shot to tell us how it was made.

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Examples + Resources

PHOTOS

http://www.laceforstudy.org.uk/

Descriptions of several styles of lace - https://www.jeanleader.net/lacestyles/index.html

To compare needle lace, tatting and crochet, Kathleen Minniti's sampler.

My antique lace boards on Pinterest

http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/bobbin-lace-antique/

http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/needle-lace-antique/

My collection of boards on Pinterest http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/

Jo Edkins lace collection online: http://gwydir.demon.co.uk/jo/lace/collection/index.htm

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Bobbin lace antiquebobbinlace bobbinlace3 Needle lace needlelace2

For recognizing Swedish bobbin lace: http://elsapetersonsspetsaffar.com/

Tatting tatting2 tatting3

Filet lace filetlace2 filetlace3 filet lace4 Buratto

Sol lace sollace2 sol lace3

Knitted lace knittedlace2 Crochet lace Irish crochet lace IrishCrochet2

TAPE LACE WITH PARTS NOT ALL BOBBIN MADE

Bobbin tape lace bobbin tape lace 2

Mixed tape lace-machinetape Romanian needlepoint lace

LACES WITH OTHER MACHINE MADE PARTS - net

Embroidery on tulle-needlerun Embroidery on tulle-tambour Carrickmacross

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MACHINE LACES

This is what it takes to make a cloth stitch strip with a machine. I don't know which machine this is. https://www.facebook.com/brooklynlaceguild/videos/1496541547035682/ ;

Chemical lace ChemicalLace2 chemical lace3 chemical lace4

See this for a technical explanation of the chemical lace process.

Barmen machine lace Raschel machine lace Leavers machine

machine1 (not sure what machine)

RESOURCES TO START LEARNING HOW TO IDENTIFY LACE

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/online-resources

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/6475898:Page:1417

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/specific-pages-in-lynxlace

IOLI.ORG'S RESOURCES

THE KOON COLLECTION

The Koon collection CD is a collection of images from the Eunice Sein Koon
Collection of Lace donated to IOLI by Ms. Koon. Ms. Koon was the editor of
Lace Craft Quarterly and a collector of lace. It is not related to the
Minnesota collection to the best of my knowledge. The CD is a series of
Powerpoint slides organized as the collection pieces are numbered. There
are approximately 100 pieces of various types of lace in the Koon
collection. Pictures from the CD could be copied and pasted into another
Powerpoint presentation, or the images could be used to request pieces of
lace from the collection for study by IOLI members. Policy for use of this
lace is described on p. 58 of the IOLI Member Handbook. -- Jo Ann Eurell

LACE STUDY BOX

The IOLI - Internation Organization of Lace, Inc. has a study box of lace fragments that members can borrow.

(I am searching for a link)

IOLI also has a lending library for members' use

http://www.internationalorganizationoflace.org/library1.html

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/international-organization-of-lace-inc/page/ioli-advanced-study-of-lace

A site with good photos of high quality antique laces: http://www.mendes.co.uk/antique.bobbin.lace.p.two.html ;

Discussion Forum

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I'm new to the technical side of the lace world, but a long-time collector from charity and thrift shops. I'm having fun trying to ID and date some of my old finds. I'm wondering if some of you with…Continue

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This is part of a collar from around 1890-1910. It is made in Sweden. I wonder if someone recognises the pattern or figures in the pattern. It is from Vadstena, but I suspect it is influenced from…Continue

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One more from Selma Giöbel

This one is designed by the same woman, Selma Giöbel, that I wrote about in previous discussion.THe same question here, has anyone seen something similar to this? Could it origin from France?//Karin…Continue

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Comment by Lagartija 7 hours ago: I agree with Lorelei, that second piece does not look handmade. It certainly isn't needlelace. It looks machine made to me.

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator 9 hours ago: I have serious doubts that the 2nd piece is handmade at all.

The red rings show areas where there are picots on the edge bars. I see rabbit ears, 2 loops for each picot. Hand made needle lace would not have rabbit ears. Each picot would be a single loop of thread.

The green rings isolate areas that appear to be imitations of bobbin lace tallies. They are not really clear. They look fuzzy. Something isn't right here.

I would like to hear from our other members about these laces.

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator 9 hours ago: I am not an expert on needle lace, to the degree that I can claim for bobbin lace. The first piece you posted is interesting, but I have questions.

My first question involves the element that looks like a tape. The red rings show areas where tapes abut each other. If, looking closely at the actual object, if you can see 2 layers at those crossover points I would questions whether this might be a tape lace, made with flat tapes sewn together and held to each other with a needle ground. If those tape shaped elements do not have crossovers or 2 layers, then the "tapes" are probably needle made.

The green rings are definitely buttonholed bars -- true needle lace.

The blue edge motifs are also definetely needle made.

But I would not presume to specify a name, date or geographical origin. I don't have all that clear in my own head yet, for needle laces.

Comment by deborah greenfield 12 hours ago: Here is the other needle lace piece mentioned below...

Comment by deborah greenfield 13 hours ago: Hello, Posting here a couple of antique needle lace pieces from France, one I believe a handmade tape lace with a point de venise border, 8" deep, and the other a rough but sweet piece which has - I think - elements of point de neige, but rather primitive, approx 3.75" deep. Any thoughts?

Comment by Carolina de la Guardia on June 25, 2018 at 10:24am: Thank you Devon for posting these interesting pieces of Milanese lace.

It is amazing that it seems that some lacemakers have always felt the need to innovate and create new lace possibilities. I suppose this is what leads to evolution.

In my recent visit to United States, besides being in N.Y. I also stayed for a week in San Francisco and I had the opportunity to visit the Lacis Museum. Talking with Mr. Jules Kliot, one of subjects was that of the origin of bobbin lace. While he argued about the importance of the industrialization of pins in the expansion of bobbin lace, I maintained that the imitation of needlelace with bobbins was the success of bobbin lace, as an easier and quickly way to executate the laces.

By the way, Very interesting the exhibition ‘The fringe shawls’

Comment by Devon Thein on June 25, 2018 at 9:14am: Nancy- All three of them are all bobbin lace, with the exception of a mend on one of them. I posted the second one because Carolina had commented that she had not seen Milanese with a coarse edge thread before. It seems to me that there was a conscious attempt in these three pieces to make Milanese that looked like Mezzo Punto. I am posting a photo of an actual piece of Mezzo Punto here. They frequently stitched around the edge of the premade tape to make it look raised.

Comment by Laura Sandison on June 22, 2018 at 10:19am: Yes, it does appear to be the half reef knot! What an interesting combination.

Comment by Nancy A. Neff on June 22, 2018 at 7:34am: It looks to me like all the fillings in the second one are bobbin lace. If you want to post closeups of each that you thought might be needlelace, I'll give the stitch sequence that would produce that filling.

Comment by Nancy A. Neff on June 22, 2018 at 7:30am: Carolina is right: twist twice the two pairs coming in, do a half-reef knot with the inside bobbins of each pair, then twist twice with the outside pairs. The only thing I disagree with is that I think there are two twists in the vertical outside pairs between the horizontal bars formed by the half-reef knot, but in many instances it's rather hard to tell--it looks to me like the lace has been washed, and perhaps ironed.