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Identification-History

For discussions of lace history and lace identification.  You can post a photo into a comment box for a lace you want to discuss.  Bobblin lace history.  About historic lace. Kinds of lace.  Distinguish types of lace.

We can identify a piece of lace for you, but we need good detail.  At least one photo with this kind of detail is necessary.  Otherwise we are just guessing.  A shot of the whole thing is useful because that shows us the style.  Style gives us clues to date and possibly geographical origin.  But we need the detail shot to tell us how it was made.

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Bobbin lace    antiquebobbinlace     bobbinlace3     Needle lace    needlelace2 

http://www.laceforstudy.org.uk/ 

To compare needle lace, tatting and crochet, Kathleen Minniti's sampler.

My antique lace boards on Pinterest   

http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/bobbin-lace-antique/ 

http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/needle-lace-antique/ 

My collection of boards on Pinterest http://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/

Tatting     tatting2   tatting3      

Embroidery on tulle-needlerun      Embroidery on tulle-tambour        Carrickmacross  

Filet lace    filetlace2    filetlace3   filet lace4    Buratto 

Sol lace   sollace2   sol lace3

Knitted lace    knittedlace2     Crochet lace        Irish crochet lace      IrishCrochet2      

Chemical lace   ChemicalLace2  chemical lace3     chemical lace4     

See this for a technical explanation of the chemical lace process.

Barmen machine lace        Raschel machine lace     Leavers machine

machine1 (not sure what machine)   

I don't know how this machine relates to the Barmen or Rascheel (or other machine)

Bobbin tape lace  bobbin tape lace 2   

Mixed tape lace-machinetape      Romanian needlepoint lace  

For recognizing Swedish bobbin lace:  http://elsapetersonsspetsaffar.com/

RESOURCES TO START LEARNING HOW TO IDENTIFY LACE

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/online-resources 

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/6475898:Page:1417 

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/identification-history/page/specific-pages-in-lynxlace 

IOLI.ORG'S RESOURCES

THE KOON COLLECTION

The Koon collection CD is a collection of images from the Eunice Sein Koon
Collection of Lace donated to IOLI by Ms. Koon. Ms. Koon was the editor of
Lace Craft Quarterly and a collector of lace.  It is not related to the
Minnesota collection to the best of my knowledge.  The CD is a series of
Powerpoint slides organized as the collection pieces are numbered.  There
are approximately 100 pieces of various types of lace in the Koon
collection.  Pictures from the CD could be copied and pasted into another
Powerpoint presentation, or the images could be used to request pieces of
lace from the collection for study by IOLI members.  Policy for use of this
lace is described on p. 58 of the IOLI Member Handbook. -- Jo Ann Eurell

LACE STUDY BOX

The IOLI - Internation Organization of Lace, Inc. has a study box of lace fragments that members can borrow.  

(I am searching for a link)

IOLI also has a lending library for members' use

http://www.internationalorganizationoflace.org/library1.html

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/international-organization-of-lace-inc/page/ioli-advanced-study-of-lace

A site with good photos of high quality antique laces: http://www.mendes.co.uk/antique.bobbin.lace.p.two.html ;

Discussion Forum

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Lace Maps 3 Replies

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Lace Collar~ Totally Lost 13 Replies

I am hoping to learn more about this gorgeous lace collar. I am so impressed when I see the color markings on other posts by admin. I am also so impressed by the amount of knowledge on this amazing…Continue

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Hoping for some help identifying this piece 11 Replies

Hi, I was hoping for some help regarding the type of lace this is. I was also hoping that I might find out it's age and origin. Thank you all so very much. I have learned so much already just reading…Continue

Started by Lorene. Last reply by Helen Bell Jan 8.

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Comment by Administrator on May 7, 2017 at 7:01pm

Of possible use for historic clothing.

http://dutchrenaissanceclothing.com/get-updates/ 

Comment by Barbara Vanselow on March 28, 2017 at 2:11pm

Thank you for your comments.

Comment by Elizabeth Ligeti on March 27, 2017 at 7:34pm

The Victorian Branch of the Australian Lace Guild organized a trip to the Machine made Lace  place some years ago.  It was fascinating, - and this machine reminds me of that outing. It was Very noisy, and ear plugs would have been useful!!  they showed us how they punch out the cards for the machines, and it was fascinating to watch the bobbins of thread zig-zagging around each other!!

Not being on Facebook, I only got a brief glimpse of that photo you referred to, Lorelei, but it was enough to jog my memory of that interesting afternoon.

Comment by Administrator on March 27, 2017 at 5:54pm

I don't know how this machine relates to the other major lace machines.

https://www.facebook.com/SpitzenOrt/videos/350326218697537/ 

Comment by Administrator on March 27, 2017 at 5:29pm

Lace 20C and 20D is a hand made bobbin lace with hand made needle elements. Carolina is right about the bundle of threads.

Blue line shows the bundle of threads (which moves threads from the end of one motif to the top of another). Purple surrounds bobbin cloth stitch. Orange outlines bobbin half stitch. Red rings show needle made rings. Green surrounds an area filled with needle lace ground -- twisted buttonhole with little spots.

It was common for duchesse of the last half of the 19th century to have needle lace inserts. The rings were common, but the twisted BH filling was not. The photo of the whole piece does not show us enough of the design to determine exactly what style or period this lace belongs to. We need a better photo of an area 6x6 inches (or 8 x 10 inches).

Comment by Administrator on March 27, 2017 at 5:13pm

Lace 20 A & B are definitely needle lace. I see Ardenza bars (where buttonhole stitch is worked up the bar on one side and down the bar on the other). I see Venetian picots.

According to Pat Earnshaw Point de France had a bar ground, with the bars spaced far apart, corded Brussels in the dense areas. It dated from the very late 1600s. There is a photo of the antique point de France on page 31 of her book NEEDLELACE. What is interesting is that the design motifs have shapes very similar to Flemish bobbin laces of the same period.

But I just haven't seen enough needle lace to identify any particular style or time component.

Comment by Carolina de la Guardia on March 26, 2017 at 3:12pm
The first piece it seems in effect Point de France.
The second one, I have my doubts...it is probably hand made but it is worked very "rude". A bundle of threads seems to be carried on from one motive to another as it is made in Duchesse lace, but nothing to do with it.
On the other hand the little rings it seems to me as if they are made with a needle or crochet....
I cannot identify this piece as any especific lace, I would like to hear some other opinion.
Comment by Barbara Vanselow on March 26, 2017 at 10:04am

The second piece of lace is very fine and a puzzle to me.lace%20D.jpg

Lace%20C.jpg

I really appreciate all your help.

Comment by Barbara Vanselow on March 26, 2017 at 10:02am

I have picture of two more pieces of lace that I would appreciate your comments on.  .

The first piece looks just like the pictures of Point de France in m,y identification book. I have never seen this needle lace in person so I am hoping that someone can help.Lace%20B.jpg

lace%20A.jpg

Comment by Administrator on March 16, 2017 at 6:06pm

Handmade cloth stitch:

a machine made spot in half stitch

handmade spot in half stitch

a hand made cloth spot

 
 
 

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