I just bought the above book, which "describes from start to finish how to work Cantu lace" but the english is choppy and the terms undefined so I am lost.  Has anyone used this book who could help me?

What is the curling edge?  Both sides of a braid curl, is it the convex or concave part?

Pin after 4...does this mean pin after every 4 rows?

I am a beginner ,I have worked 16 samples from Torchon lace, and done the first plaiting sample from this site.  I am also working on this whole book , which I think is wonderful on cretan lace. https://www.cs.arizona.edu/patterns/weaving/books/pt_kkk_e.pdf

It is so well written and illustrated, I understand it totally and it seems very similar to Cantu, in that 7 pairs make the tape.  I thought it was a good lead in.  So maybe I just am not ready for this book?

Thank you!

Lisa

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I don't have that particular book by Very Cockuyt, but I do have others. Her verbal descriptions are often hard to follow. And there is another problem. It has been explained to me (don't remember who) that there are 2 types of Cantu lace which look very similar, but have markedly different working methods. In one form the lace is actually a part lace, with many of the little bits each started fresh and knotted off at its bottom. The other form is a pure tape lace, in that no bobbins are added or removed throughout the lace. Instead they use a bundle of threads to move threads from where they are to where they need to go to start another motif. From what I have heard Cockuyt's book is about the first type, not the second.

Curling edge -- I can only guess, based on what I know from other related laces. In laces such and Honiton and Duchesse a bit of tape may go around a tight curve and there is not room around the inner edge of the curve for all the pins. The outer edge of the curve would have pins spaced fairly far apart, but the inner edge would have less space, often not enough to accomodate all the pins actually needed. So instead the weaver pair doesn't go all the way to the edge, but stops part way into the tape. The weaver is dropped and becomes a passive pair, and the last passive that was worked through becomes the new weaver.  Here are some diagrams for how to do turning stitch. There are 3 variants shown -- 1 turning stitch, 2 turning stitches in 2 successive rows, and turning stitch used in a rib where the turning stitch (ctctc) is worked on the edge of the tape itself.  These are only some of the possible ways to do turning stitch. There are at least 3 others.    

http://lynxlace.com/learningbobbinlace-basics.html#turningstitch   

Pin after 4 -- means pin after 4 threads. Two pairs go outside the pin. In English this is often called "sewing edge". And "pin after 2" refers to winkiepin edge (pin after 2 threads).  "Pin after 4" and "pin after 2" are the translated continental ways of describing those edges.

I have seen the KKK book and downloaded a copy. It looks like very good basic bobbin tape lace. Cantu tape lace uses some very sophisticated techniques.

On Cantu, there is a booklet by Mary McPeek which she self published in the 1980s. It is very hard to find a copy nowadays. The Great Lakes Lace Group has publishing rights from the family (I have been told). We need to light a fire under them to reprint the booklet. It is the only thing I have heard of in English that describes the tape lace variant of Cantu.

Lorelei

I have studied Cantu with Betty Manfre.  The tape lace is made with sewing edges ( pin under 4) on both sides.  Sometimes a pattern will have an extra pair that is done in Whole stitch to widen the outside edge.   When a curl is started, 4 pairs are twisted into a roll and go out to the point.  Then they spread out and cloth stitch back to the center vine.  The outside edge uses a pin but the inside edge is sewn around the twisted bundle. the 3 part lines to the center of the curl are false plaits ( twisted threads)  It is tricky. But it looks cool.

Thanks Julia.

Thank you both so much for trying to explain this to me.  Maybe I need to see it in person, or I am just not ready yet but it seems confusing.  It may until I start doing it.  I will try to find that book.  Or a teacher. Unfortunately I cannot even find other lacers near me!  I still do not understand pin after 4.  Maybe I can find a youtube video of it?  Or I should just stick to the kkk book for now.  Is there another tape lace that you would recommend before Cantu?  I actually speak russian so maybe I should try Russian tape lace?

Thanks,


Lisa

Russian tape lace is more straight forward.  You might enjoy it.  Julia

I've been really thinking about this.  Is pin after 4 the same as the panaki with ouyia, (in the kkk Cretan lace book) which is a sewing edge? or like the footside in torchon?  Both of these pin under 2 pairs of bobbins, or 4 threads.

Thanks!

lisa

Yes, pin after 4 is the same as panaki with ouyia. I have some diagrams on my website that clarify this.

http://lynxlace.com/learningbobbinlace-clothstitch.html#edges 

Here is an example of Cantu, not quite large enough.   http://lynxlace.com/images/lace101.jpg 

A bunch of Cantu photos, including some diagrams I found on the internet - 

https://www.pinterest.com/lynxlacelady/cantu-punto-venezia/

Lorelei

Russian tape would be easier, as there is good material available about how to do it. I have one lesson on my website.

http://lynxlace.com/learningbobbinlace-tapelesson-47.html

There is also a book in Russian that has been posted on the internet by the author. Most of us would have to rely on the photos, but with your language skills you would start ahead of the game.

http://kruzhevosasovo.narod.ru/training/00.htm 

Also look at our BOBBIN TAPE LACE group. Its opening page has links to online resources, and a book list.

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/bobbin-made-tape-laces-braid-laces     Look under the group icon, and under the member icons for the links.

Lorelei

Yay! I finally understand something!  

I actually printed out the russian lace lesson #47 but I cannot get it very clear. I would love to do it next.  The book for it looks awesome but I do not think the translate button works. I tried it both in chrome and windows.  At least I think it is the translate button.  It is at the bottom of the page and just shows a broken image, or link.

I am going to go directly to the source for it and see if I cannot get it clearer. I am a graphic designer so if I can improve it, I could send you a copy for others to use.

Thanks!

lisa

Lisa

The photo of the lace square for my lesson #47 is actually a large thumbnail, which is why it is blurry. Click on the image to get the original photos. It is crystal clear.

It is not coming out clear at all for me.  I am opening it in photoshop.  It is only 72 dpi.  I am clicking on the only line drawing, it is the center image at the top of the page.  The other 2 are photos of actual lace.  Or should I be clicking on something else?

Thanks,


lisa

Here is the lace for DMC #47

http://lynxlace.com/images/lace211.jpg 

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