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Comment by Carol Dodge on October 27, 2017 at 4:07am

Thank you

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on October 26, 2017 at 6:23pm

Carol - check out our Recommended Books page in this group. Look in the column just to the right of this one, under the member avatars, at the "Pages".

http://laceioli.ning.com/group/bobbin-made-tape-laces-braid-laces/p...

The Russian lace group of books is near the bottom of that page. The ones I have found most useful are the DMC one and the Karpenko booklet. The DMC is available as a free download, broken into several parts. The text is German. But I think that either the ariz.edu site or the antique pattern library site may have it in French instead. But the photos (engravings?) are clear enough that I didn't really need to read the text. You can see where all the threads go, and that is enough. 

The Karpenko has no text at all, just a series of diagrams showing stages of the work. That also seems to be enough to get the general idea.

Another possibility would be to use some of the free patterns on my personal website. Some of the patterns are from the DMC books, some from another free download, and one is my own design.

http://lynxlace.com/bobbinlacefreepatterns.html#tapelacelessons

http://lynxlace.com/learningbobbinlace-tapelesson-47.html 

http://lynxlace.com/learningbobbinlace-tapelacemat.html 

I still haven't worked samples for the MM ones (from Mincoff & Marriage), but I have done some of the DMC ones.

Lorelei

Comment by Carol Dodge on October 25, 2017 at 4:08am

Hi just joined you I am interested in learning Russian lace. What books do you advise, and patterns to start. I know torchon lace, so used to basic stitches.

Thanks Carol.   

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on September 12, 2016 at 5:23pm

What modern Russian tape lace can do - 

https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100006886350333&sk=phot...

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on June 6, 2016 at 7:20pm

Some present day Hinojosa lace.

Comment by Lars Ekdahl on May 19, 2016 at 1:52pm

Thanks for all help Im wating for a mail from the author of the pattern and see what she has to say about it

Comment by Lorelei Halley Administrator on May 17, 2016 at 4:41pm

The little line in the middle of the leaf tallies suggests to me that the designer intended a tally with a braid/plait behind it.

Go as far as you can to the last spot where you can make a joining. At the red dot you start the entire filling. Tally to the green dot, make a hole for future sewing. Work the entire filling with the weaver and edge pair. At the 2nd pass over a tally you make a braid.  This is so hard to describe in words.

Look at the filling inside the green ring. The blue line shows how I made a tally on the outward journey, with the weaver and the edge pair, from the inner edge to the middle. Then I made the neighboring tally from the middle to the inner edge. Then I worked a braid back to the center. I went around the filling in that manner, finally returning to the first tally I made, where I braided back to the inner ring, in the same spot where I started. Thus the whole filling is made with the same 4 bobbins, with nothing hung in or cut out. 

The other set of tallies shows the sequence better. Start at the red dot, blue is a tally to the center. Then work the neighboring tally center to rim (blue). On the journey back to the center work a braid with those same 4 bobbins (yellow). You end up with 2 layers. Since tape lace is worked with the back side facing the lace maker, the tally (the first layer) will be on the right side and the narrow braid will be on the wrong side when the piece is finished.

You can make either 2 tallies, one on top of the other, or a tally with a braid behind it. In the latter method the narrow braid is hidden behind the tally.

I don't actually know if Schneeberger uses the 2 tally layers, or only the tally plus braid option. But in tape lace generally, either method works.

Lorelei

Comment by Carolina de la Guardia on May 17, 2016 at 7:05am

Usually it is not necessary to cut threads when working Schneeberg lace. The "passée a cheval" is the usual way to carry threads from one braid to another.
In this pattern, I only see one possiblity for doing so. The others have to be worked as a Russian lace.
I would like to upload two pictures and a pdf. but I need the help of Lori because I do not remember how to do it...
Thanks Lori.

Comment by Antje González on May 17, 2016 at 6:27am

Hello Lars,

The best way is to work the leaves in the "passe a cheval" method, which makes it really god looking and you don`t need to add nor eliminate pairs. Here you can find a diagram on how to work this: http://couvige.virtuel.free.fr/course.frameset.html#cluny

As Sylvie suggests, first you have to study the pattern and see where to start the leaves and where to end them.

As there are 5 leaves, you cannot make all in one go. One of the leaves has to be worked to the center, joined and returned to the starting place with a plait.

Also have a look at Vuelta y Cruz 4, 5, 6 where there is a course of Schneeberger and diagrams of how to make the leaves inside the pattern.

Hope this helps!

Good luck!

Antje González

Comment by Sylvie A. Roy Nguyen on May 17, 2016 at 6:11am

Lars,

In Schneeberger, you need to study the pricking before you start the  lace.  As you progress in the tape, when you reach an area that has leaves, you hang in two pairs of bobbins to complete the leaf or leaves. If there is another leaf, close to the other side of the tape, you can carry the two extra pairs across the back of the tape, then use them to complete the next leaf.  When you have completed those leaves, you can tie off the two pairs.  Try to plan to tie of the pairs behind cloth or linen stitch.  

If this doesn't help enough, I could email you a diagram.

Sylvie

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