For those who love hand made lace.
As I spend my Birthday money I'm am stuck once again as the crazy high prices of some lace books. The two Milanese books by Patricia Read are now going for $750 - $850. I don't know of any lace maker with that kind of extra cash!I can't help but think that there are people in our community with books or such that would gladly sell or exchange items for far less than the $$$ rare book sellers are charging. Or am I the only one?
We can now use this DISCUSSION as the base for notices about lace related items you are buying or selling. I will leave it up as a permanent DISCUSSION. You can post lace related stuff you are selling, or books etc that you are looking for. Our members who have websites or lace businesses can also post notes here. And this is a change from the previous policy of no advertizing at all.
I have resisted using this site for advertizing up until now, but I suppose there is some point in posting useful information. For a seller to post twice a month is reasonable, possibly weekly also. Posting selling notices daily is obnoxious. I will delete obnoxious advertizing.
I don't think anyone has ever actually paid that much for the book. As always, the IOLI library is an option and very good value, if you are a member. Sometimes the relatives of disceased lacemakers consign the books and other things to a local guild, or even a dealer such as Vansciver Bobbin Lace, for sale. I know one individual who sold the books of two friends and donated the money to a lace cause. However, she says she will never do it again because it involved a lot of effort between pricing and distributing a list and then sending the books out. Thus the problem. It is a lot of work.
Unfortunately, as the members of the lace revival of the 1970s go into assisted living and die, it is quite likely that their books are being thrown away, or donated to local book sales where there is no market for them. Many of these books were small print runs, for instance, 2000, to begin with. Perhaps there is some internet solution to this problem?
From what I understand, those prices that are so high are the result of some kind of computer formula, and do not represent any actual sale, and possibly not even an actual book. I would not assume that you could get anywhere near those prices. You could try putting the book on ebay and see what happens. Many Chapman, bookseller, MChapmanbooks@aol.com is a business that deals specifically with lace and needlework books. You might want to check out what that business is buying and selling the books for if you want a more reallistic idea of the value of the book when purchased by a knowledgeable dealer and marketed specifically to the lace world. The dealer attends our lace conventions. He knows which books are good and which ones are not. His prices are highish, although nowhere near as high as the Amazon prices you quote. His prices reflect the effort involved in studying a specific market acquiring the books that are desirable enough that people want them, while avoiding the ones that have not stood the test of time, and then renting a booth at lace events, hauling the books in, and unpacking them, and displaying them to the very clientele who are interested in buying them. In reality there is a lace book exchange in the form of May Chapman, Booksellers.
If you are going to the Salt Lake City convention, there is often the opportunity to sell things such as no longer wanted bobbins at a consignment table run by the sponsoring organization.
Used books do sell on ebay, but the last time I checked, ebay takes 14% or 15% of the selling price (which I think is absolutely outrageous). Below is a site I found when looking for embroidery books. It does have some lace books. Whatever they post reflects their current on-hand list, which changes constantly. So you need to check repeatedly, probably 2x per month. Their prices for used or out-of-print books are reasonable.
They also allow you to post a preference. If they find the book somewhere and acquire it, they will notify you.
Arachne, the online newsgroup, frequently has its members posting notices about lace libraries being sold, or bobbins and equipment for sale.
I suppose you could post a note on our site, also. We can use this DISCUSSION as the base. Robin, please don't be offended, but I am changing the name of this discussion, slightly, to reflect more generic words. I will leave it up as a permanent DISCUSSION. You can post lace related stuff you are selling, or books etc that you are looking for. Our members who have websites or lace businesses can also post notes here. And this is a change from the previous policy of no advertizing at all.
I have resisted using this site for advertizing, but I suppose there is some point in posting useful information. For a seller to post twice a month is reasonable, possibly weekly also. Posting selling notices daily is obnoxious. I will delete obnoxious advertizing.
Remember that it takes google 5 days before new content is findable by search engines. The other search engines are slower than google.
Lace Magazine, the publication of The Lace Guild (UK) has an area in the publication known as "Swap Shop". I have not used it, and am not sure how it works. But it appears that one can list things one wants to exchange or buy. People can then send a bid to the Hollies, their headquarters which will be sent to the advertiser after three weeks to allow for delays in the post. It says this is a service to members.
No offense on name change, I just couldn't find a suggestion place and, well, I kind of wanted to know if others felt the way I did. I'm willing to pay up to about $80 for a book, but after that...*shrug*. I'd rather buy bobbins or a new pillow. Which I'm looking for East midland bobbins if anyone is selling *laugh*.
I have used the IOLI library. However, the books I wanted weren't available. It actually took 3 tries to find a book in that I was kind of sort of interested in. So wish we could afford the OCLC or Dynex cataloging program to know what is available and t put things on hold...but if wishes were fishes we'd all cast nets.
What is the OCLC or Dynex program?
It is a good idea to have a greater match between those people who want to buy lace things and those people who want to sell, and I applaud any effort to facilitate that.
I always have to laugh, though, when the example of the Read Milanese book is used. That is one popular book! It is not as though the set up of an exchange is going to result in that book becoming widely available at a reasonable price. It disappears as fast as it appears. If, for instance, there is a box of books donated to a lace club for sale with that book in it, it will disappear mysteriously before ever reaching the event. Those books that manage to pass through several hands and arrive at the event are usually older, or less useful books. The same thing applies to the Thompson Honiton books. They are very hard to get. Those people who have copies are most likely going to leave them in their wills to their best friends, or they are saving them to give as a special treat to their most promising student. At least with a cold-hearted profit motivated dealer, you can buy the book for money! You don't have to instill love.
It is sort of like rationing and the black market. Perhaps, in the end, it will be "print on demand" services that will be the answer.
Perhaps the answer is to bombard the publisher with requests for a reprint. *evil grin*
OCLC is the Online Computer Library Catalog. It's why Worldcat (the Worldwide Library Catalog) works. They provide all the bibliographic info to libraries...though with some you still have to impute the CIP (cataloging in publication) data. That's how you can search for stuff at your library. SirsiDynix is the interface program for nearly all libraries...it's what you see when you search a library's system. ( Sorry, years of being a librarian...as DH says, "I'm over trained").
Though, LibraryThing could be an online library option too.
Is the benefit that you are seeing in this system a better explanation of the books in the IOLI library so as to make selection easier, or better management of requests?
Both. There are areas for longer descriptions, you can put a image of the cover, and as in a regular library, you can see in real time if a book is in or out. Also possibly put it on "hold" to be sent later. *shrug* Right now when I pull up the PDF I try to browse the list and then put it in a Google search to see if it is something I'm really interested in. I have a hard time searching the PDF.
However, I seriously doubt Sirsi is an affordable option for IOLI. Librarything is a great site and may be worth considering...though imputing the books could take a while.
But then again if there isn't really a demand...like I said I'm a librarian so I have this instinctual need for books to be well organized and readily available *laugh*
This is so off topic - SORRY.
I just opened up my etsy shop: http://www.etsy.com/shop/PuggaPita
and listed the first four rounds of Anna's Doily, seen here: http://laceioli.ning.com/photo/anna-s-doily-2-0?xg_source=activity
I hope you can take some time to pay my shop a visit! ^_^ Thanks!
I have written two e-books, available from Amazon. I'm afraid that you can only read them using a Kindle or something with a Kindle app, such as an iPad. They are:
How to make Bobbin Lace (cost under $8) This is for the complete beginner, giving tips on equipment, telling you how to wind bobbins and make your first row of lace, and so on. It takes you through 22 patterns, Torchon, English Midland and Bucks point, plus different shapes such as a corner, mats, a cross. There are lots of diagrams showing how to do the different stitches, headsides, footsides, etc. No pattern uses more than 12 pairs of bobbins. All the patterns are available on the internet (since Kindles are not very good at producing a pattern!)
Bobbin Lace Stitches and Techniques - a reference book of the basics (cost under $5) This takes all the diagrams and descriptions of stitches and techniques from the first book, and arranges them in a reference order, so all the stitches, all the grounds, all the headsides are grouped together. (The How To book had met them one at a time as necessary for the next pattern.)
I deliberately kept the price low to encourage people to buy the book who were perhaps wondering whether to try this new hobby.